Marlin 45/70

mitch009 · 03-15-2008, 03:06 PM

I've been thinking about getting a lever action gun and have been looking at the marlins in 45/70 caliber. Ive been looking at the model 1895 and am debating over the 1895 g version ( which looks to be shorter as well as the stock is straight back) and the 1895 in walnut which is 3 1/2 inches longer with a semi pistol grip stock ( i think thats what its called) Is there much difference between these guns or is the guide version just a shortened more compact version. The price seems about the same and im leaning towards getting the non guide version. thanks

turner · 03-15-2008, 03:29 PM

The two models are pretty much identical, except for barrel and stock variations. I've handled both and the guide gun almost seems a tad too short to me. I own a Marlin 444S and it's pretty much a clone of the 45/70 with the 22" barrel and it feels real good in hand. I personally prefer the pistol grip model. I've not shot the guide version, but I would suppose it will have increased muzzle blast too, especially if you ever used some of the +P loadings available. If you like the idea of a big bore lever, the .444 Marlin has some good points on it's side too. A bit better trajectory, even tho both are not long range numbers. The new LE ammo has helped in this respect. I also own another alternative, a Browning BLR in .450 Marlin. Ammo is about the same price as the .444 and 45/70 in the LE stuff. It's pretty much simply a souped up 45/70. The BLR comes in a 20" version, but the overall length is within 1/2" of the 22" 45/70.

Windwalker · 03-15-2008, 04:14 PM

The guide gun comes in an 18 and a 22 in. bbl. The 1895 with the pistol grip stock has a 24 in.bbl. All of these have a 4+1 tubular mag. Then there is the 1895 CB (Cowboy) which has a 26 in. bbl. and a 9+1 tubular mag. Hope this will help.

turner · 03-15-2008, 09:30 PM

The standard model 1895 has a 22" barrel. Which, again, I'd say is just about perfect at around 40" total length. See below.

Marlin Firearms: Big Bore Lever Action : 1895

mitch009 · 03-17-2008, 01:59 PM

I just ordered the standard 22in barrel walnut stock from buds gunshop for 510 dollars and cant wait to get it. Thanks for the info

turner · 03-17-2008, 02:02 PM

Congrats, And that seems like a very good price on it too! If you don't mind my asking.... will you scope it too, or simply use the irons? My .444s has a peep sight and my .450 BLR has a red dot, and I'm simply curious as to what you are thinking of doing. Good Luck.

mitch009 · 03-17-2008, 02:15 PM

I'm going to stick with the irons for now. I can hardly afford ammo after that purchase.
I like the idea of a peep sight tho, If you have a picture handy, would u mind posting? I'd like to see your set up and get some ideas

turner · 03-17-2008, 03:46 PM

Not sure I can post one here, but if you want to private message me and supply an email I'll take a few and send them to you. Most places I've seen ammo, have the LE ammo for about the same price. I use it in my .444

rfc357 · 03-17-2008, 04:21 PM

The longer barrel will exhibit less muzzle blast and perceived recoil than the shorter barrel, and will be more comfortable to shoot. I have a 70s production 1895, and it is certainly more pleasant to shoot than my friend's guide gun. I consider the .45-70 to be a handloading proposition since most of the factory ammunition is anemic. Some of the newer loads may be better, but i have not tried any.

turner · 03-17-2008, 08:05 PM

rfc357 is absolutly right. But some of the new ammo is more potent.... the LE ammo is quite a bit more powerful that the typical "big 3" loadings and should work fine for most hunting. There are some awesome loads though, with Corbon, Grizzley, and Buffalo Bore if you want to tangle with something with lots of big teeth. Enjoy that big bore lever...I love mine.

mitch009 · 03-17-2008, 11:33 PM

do you guys have any suggestions where to get some good rounds online at a decent price?

nathangdad · 03-18-2008, 12:58 AM

From what I have observed at a shooting range I would really take the time to fire the models you have under consideration. Although these guns certainly have their admirers and supporters it is still strong recoil and a great muzzle blast each time you pull the trigger.

So, get some hands on firing experience if possible before making a purchase. This may or may not be the caliber/gun for you.

Good luck and good shooting.

turner · 03-18-2008, 09:01 AM

Mitch,
Here's several places to try. It looks like the Hornady LE ammo is not only a very good performer, but also some of the least expensive as well.
Good Luck.

45-70 Government

Scroll down this page:
Stars & Stripes Ammunition

very good price on LeverEvolution ammo
45-70 GOVT. : Ammunition To Go

http://www.thehuntingshack.com/catal...ail/retail.pdf

I have purchased a lot of ammo here
Cheaper Than Dirt - America's Ultimate Shooting Sports Discounter

ArkansasHunter · 03-18-2008, 09:12 AM

Mitch Congrats with your new Marlin. Do you have an FFL to where you can order gun's yourself ?
You mentioned Bud's so I take it you ordered it from Bud's Gun Shop if thats the site I go there aleast every other day to see what guns cost.
Seems like an excellent outfit to buy from and there prices include shipping.
Hope you enjoy yout new toy...A.H

andrew cochran · 03-18-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mitch009

do you guys have any suggestions where to get some good rounds online at a decent price?

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mitch009 · 03-18-2008, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Mitch Congrats with your new Marlin. Do you have an FFL to where you can order gun's yourself ?
You mentioned Bud's so I take it you ordered it from Bud's Gun Shop if thats the site I go there aleast every other day to see what guns cost.
Seems like an excellent outfit to buy from and there prices include shipping.
Hope you enjoy yout new toy...A.H

AH - I do not have a FFL (and thats probably a good thing because I wouldn't have any money) I just pay the 35 dollar transfer fee at a local gunshop, which is actually in the lower end with some being as high as 50 per online transfer. Yes I did order from budsgunshop and this is my second order from them and I agree that they are an excellent outfit to buy from and will continue to do so.

03-15-2008, 03:06 PM	#1
mitch009 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: WA Posts: 136	Marlin 45/70 I've been thinking about getting a lever action gun and have been looking at the marlins in 45/70 caliber. Ive been looking at the model 1895 and am debating over the 1895 g version ( which looks to be shorter as well as the stock is straight back) and the 1895 in walnut which is 3 1/2 inches longer with a semi pistol grip stock ( i think thats what its called) Is there much difference between these guns or is the guide version just a shortened more compact version. The price seems about the same and im leaning towards getting the non guide version. thanks

03-15-2008, 04:14 PM	#3
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,258	The guide gun comes in an 18 and a 22 in. bbl. The 1895 with the pistol grip stock has a 24 in.bbl. All of these have a 4+1 tubular mag. Then there is the 1895 CB (Cowboy) which has a 26 in. bbl. and a 9+1 tubular mag. Hope this will help. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

03-18-2008, 12:58 AM	#12
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,225	Advice from someone observing From what I have observed at a shooting range I would really take the time to fire the models you have under consideration. Although these guns certainly have their admirers and supporters it is still strong recoil and a great muzzle blast each time you pull the trigger. So, get some hands on firing experience if possible before making a purchase. This may or may not be the caliber/gun for you. Good luck and good shooting.

03-15-2008, 03:29 PM	#2
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623	The two models are pretty much identical, except for barrel and stock variations. I've handled both and the guide gun almost seems a tad too short to me. I own a Marlin 444S and it's pretty much a clone of the 45/70 with the 22" barrel and it feels real good in hand. I personally prefer the pistol grip model. I've not shot the guide version, but I would suppose it will have increased muzzle blast too, especially if you ever used some of the +P loadings available. If you like the idea of a big bore lever, the .444 Marlin has some good points on it's side too. A bit better trajectory, even tho both are not long range numbers. The new LE ammo has helped in this respect. I also own another alternative, a Browning BLR in .450 Marlin. Ammo is about the same price as the .444 and 45/70 in the LE stuff. It's pretty much simply a souped up 45/70. The BLR comes in a 20" version, but the overall length is within 1/2" of the 22" 45/70.

03-15-2008, 09:30 PM	#4
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623	*The standard model 1895 has a 22" barrel. Which, again, I'd say is just about perfect at around 40" total length. See below.* Marlin Firearms: Big Bore Lever Action : 1895

03-17-2008, 01:59 PM	#5
mitch009 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: WA Posts: 136	I just ordered the standard 22in barrel walnut stock from buds gunshop for 510 dollars and cant wait to get it. Thanks for the info

03-17-2008, 02:02 PM	#6
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623	Congrats, And that seems like a very good price on it too! If you don't mind my asking.... will you scope it too, or simply use the irons? My .444s has a peep sight and my .450 BLR has a red dot, and I'm simply curious as to what you are thinking of doing. Good Luck.

03-17-2008, 02:15 PM	#7
mitch009 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: WA Posts: 136	I'm going to stick with the irons for now. I can hardly afford ammo after that purchase. I like the idea of a peep sight tho, If you have a picture handy, would u mind posting? I'd like to see your set up and get some ideas

03-17-2008, 03:46 PM	#8
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623	Not sure I can post one here, but if you want to private message me and supply an email I'll take a few and send them to you. Most places I've seen ammo, have the LE ammo for about the same price. I use it in my .444

03-17-2008, 04:21 PM	#9
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	The longer barrel will exhibit less muzzle blast and perceived recoil than the shorter barrel, and will be more comfortable to shoot. I have a 70s production 1895, and it is certainly more pleasant to shoot than my friend's guide gun. I consider the .45-70 to be a handloading proposition since most of the factory ammunition is anemic. Some of the newer loads may be better, but i have not tried any.

03-17-2008, 08:05 PM	#10
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623	rfc357 is absolutly right. But some of the new ammo is more potent.... the LE ammo is quite a bit more powerful that the typical "big 3" loadings and should work fine for most hunting. There are some awesome loads though, with Corbon, Grizzley, and Buffalo Bore if you want to tangle with something with lots of big teeth. Enjoy that big bore lever...I love mine.

03-17-2008, 11:33 PM	#11
mitch009 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: WA Posts: 136	do you guys have any suggestions where to get some good rounds online at a decent price?

03-18-2008, 09:01 AM	#13
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623	*Mitch,* *Here's several places to try. It looks like the Hornady LE ammo is not only a very good performer, but also some of the least expensive as well.* *Good Luck.* 45-70 Government Scroll down this page: Stars & Stripes Ammunition very good price on LeverEvolution ammo 45-70 GOVT. : Ammunition To Go http://www.thehuntingshack.com/catal...ail/retail.pdf I have purchased a lot of ammo here Cheaper Than Dirt - America's Ultimate Shooting Sports Discounter

03-18-2008, 09:12 AM	#14
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 11,267	Mitch Congrats with your new Marlin. Do you have an FFL to where you can order gun's yourself ? You mentioned Bud's so I take it you ordered it from Bud's Gun Shop if thats the site I go there aleast every other day to see what guns cost. Seems like an excellent outfit to buy from and there prices include shipping. Hope you enjoy yout new toy...A.H