06-17-2009, 08:59 PM
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#81 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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couldn't have said it better, nicely put troy
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06-17-2009, 09:32 PM
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#82 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by troy2000  Not unless you start trying to convince people that your high prices are actually market value....  |
Through their advertising, they create the market value.
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06-18-2009, 08:59 AM
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#83 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by troy2000 | Despite the common attitude that anyone stupid enough or ignorant enough to pay too much for something deserves to be parted from his money, I don't have to approve of Mitchell's sales tactics. Particularly if they're deliberately misrepresenting guns as collectibles which aren't.
Yes, the definition of a collectible is vague enough that they probably can't be held legally responsible for misleading customers. But I have a moral issue with it. To a point, we all rely on what sellers say about their products...especially if we aren't experts on what's being sold. | I don't approve of misleading or deceptive sales tactics either. I'm also not a fan of third parties going overboard about what prices should be, especially in a legalistic sense. That's generally between the buyer and seller. You don't like the price, don't become a buyer.
This was all started by people calling Mitchell's Mausers 'criminal'. I was just asking that we tone down the rhetoric to 'immoral' - save the criminal talk for the actual law-breakers.
Actually, it's hard to get worked up about this anymore...
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06-18-2009, 12:12 PM
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#84 | | Firearm Zealot
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its not just immoral, they are fraudulent. they claim that they're improperly refinshed rifles are highly collectable, that is an outright lie. you can personally try and defend them all you want, but the novice collectors need to know. if you know a dang thing about k98k's, you can take one look at what they picture in their advertisements as the high end collector grade rifle, and point out at least a half dozen things wrong with the gun . the rifles do not meet the description, and that is FRAUD!
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06-18-2009, 07:19 PM
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#85 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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like the fact tha the bolts look like they've polished ,when they should be a jet black color instead? plus my K98k stock has a really dark finish, and theirs looks like bleach blonde.
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06-19-2009, 12:11 AM
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#86 | | Firearm Zealot
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original K98 laminated stocks had no finish, but the bolt body, bolt shroud, cocking piece etc.... should all be blued or phosphated( depends on when and where it was made).
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06-19-2009, 03:58 AM
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#87 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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LMAO, I considered buying a MM Mauser when I was about 11 or so. Ended up buying a RC K-98 from Interordanance for about $200 and couldn't be more happy. I'd be kicking myself if I had bought a mauser with a Stainless Steel Bolt and bleach stock. Not to mention $200 or so for a Mosin Nagant Accesory kit? I got the same stuff plus more for free when I bought my Mosin for 63 bucks!
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06-19-2009, 08:52 AM
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#88 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by lefty o | its not just immoral, they are fraudulent. they claim that they're improperly refinshed rifles are highly collectable, that is an outright lie. you can personally try and defend them all you want, but the novice collectors need to know. if you know a dang thing about k98k's, you can take one look at what they picture in their advertisements as the high end collector grade rifle, and point out at least a half dozen things wrong with the gun . the rifles do not meet the description, and that is FRAUD! | I never said they sold accurate Mausers. Pay attention. I said if they were engaged in fraud they would (or should) be arrested and put out of business.
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06-19-2009, 11:50 AM
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#89 | | Firearm Zealot
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you pay attention! you have some twisted idea that lying about what they sell isnt fraud. quite frankly they should not have a business license.
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06-19-2009, 12:12 PM
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#90 | | Firearm Zealot
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from all i've read on the net, i have a hard time understanding why anyone would even want to defend them here.
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06-19-2009, 02:24 PM
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#91 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by R5CYA | from all i've read on the net, i have a hard time understanding why anyone would even want to defend them here. | I'm not - I'm defending the proper and accurate use of the language. I don't care what Mitchell's Mausers does.
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07-18-2009, 09:38 AM
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#92 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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|  what kind of ammo
hello ,this is my first time here ,i dont have a comment but a question .is "managed recoil" ammo in 308 safe in my mod 1916 spanish Gaurdia-civil,i;very confused and concerned(for my safety) the receiver is stamped 7.62 but on the barrel(muzzle end.)it say,s 308 w spain. i know the the arguaments over thi subject but im still confused would (managed -recoil) be a happy medium, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME hope to hear soon as im dying to shoot this thing ,
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07-21-2009, 04:26 PM
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#93 | | Firearm Zealot
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If anyone is interested I know a dealer that has a nazi k98 all stamps visable nothing crossed out All force matched russian capture $375.
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08-02-2009, 11:48 PM
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#94 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by F1609 from what I have heard, just plainly stay away from Mitchell's. Go somewhere else. It's not worth the money. Buy a true k98 not a m48 if you want History. check out Welcome to Samco Global Arms, Inc. These are very nice, I'm not sure about authenticity but I'd pay that price for a refurb before I'd pay Mitchell's. | I checked out Samco and saw the best prices and the best guns of any site i have seen since Dec. of 08 !! Thank you!!
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08-04-2009, 04:32 PM
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#95 | | Firearm Zealot
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SOG has quite a selection of K98's. I have a problem with SAMCO. I tried for two weeks to get an SKS I ordered from them shipped to me. Suffice it to say I ended up canceling the order and getting one somewhere else.
It would help if their operator did not have such a heavy Cuban accent, I could only understand about one word in three she was saying.
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08-05-2009, 08:50 PM
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#96 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by gandog56 | SOG has quite a selection of K98's. I have a problem with SAMCO. I tried for two weeks to get an SKS I ordered from them shipped to me. Suffice it to say I ended up canceling the order and getting one somewhere else.
It would help if their operator did not have such a heavy Cuban accent, I could only understand about one word in three she was saying. | Who is SOG? web site please?
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08-05-2009, 09:12 PM
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#97 | | Firearm Zealot
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08-05-2009, 09:35 PM
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#98 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by R5CYA
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08-06-2009, 02:08 PM
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#99 | | Firearm Zealot
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Aww, as long as you realize there is zero collector value for these Mausers they are OK. They are still Mausers, so Mitchells can't mess them up too bad.
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08-07-2009, 05:38 PM
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#100 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by jsmaye | If I convince someone that a $400 MN sniper is worth $1500 and they buy it, not only is that not illegal, but it's arguable that $1500 just became the market value.
I'm not defending scamming and gouging. I am defending the right for anyone to set any price for their goods and services. If Mitchell's Mausers states categorically that a rifle is what it isn't, that's deception. If their prices are high, caveat emptor. Do the research beforehand. | all we're doing by arm-waving and armchair-banging is letting the emptor be caveatted. it's anyone's right to charge an arm and a leg for something. it's also anyone's right to inform the public that said item is worth neither the arm nor the leg.
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