TURK 1893 8mm MAUSERS

PAPA G · 04-09-2005, 02:59 PM

several suppliers are offering Turkish M1893 rifles as pre 1898 antiques hence no ffl needed. i was considering one. but reading the fine print about them at Center Fire Systems, they are 8X57mm Mauser RIMMED!!!

just to let everyone know about that.

gunssb · 04-09-2005, 03:01 PM

Ha! Thanks PAPA G - I had been looking at those too but my pockets are empty.

GUNRUNNER · 04-09-2005, 03:02 PM

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PAPA G · 04-09-2005, 03:35 PM

i'm gonna call CFS monday, to make sure the online catalog is correct.

PAPA G · 04-11-2005, 04:12 PM

well i called CFS, the gentleman on the other end, stated that the paper catalog is a misprint, and that the rifles are indeed 8X57R. so i guess unless i stumble upon a couple ammo cans of the rimmed Mauser cartridges i won't be order any.

Big Dog · 04-11-2005, 06:19 PM

8X57R?! Never heard of such a critter!
We gotta get DANA's take on this. Is there is . . . or there ain't . . . an 8X57R rimmed Mauser cartridge?

Thrawn · 04-11-2005, 06:31 PM

Yep, seen a box of 'em in a gun store the other day. The owner accidently ordered them.

nlinc · 04-11-2005, 06:56 PM

I'd like to point out that several sources put the 1893/1938 mausers as 8x57JS (8mm mauser). They are availible from www.sportsmandguide.com as "8mm Mauser"
www.surplusrifle.com calls it 8x57mm Mauser and has picture of regular 8x57 being loaded and unloaded into one. Note that the original 1893 Turkish mauser was chambered in 7.65x53mm caliber but were later rechambered to 7.92x57mm (8mm Mauser). The 1938 standard caliber was 8mm Mauser.
The fact that no one has seen surplus 8x57R ammo coming out of turkey, and only 8x57 Mauser suggest this as well. And note that Turkey used their mausers until the 1950's when they were replaced with weapons of US origin.(Hogg, 217)

And the model 1938 was just all the mauser rifles that Turkey had reworked into 8mm mauser.

EDIT: I also dug up some more info on 8x57R
http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIID1c1.html

"There is also 8x57R (or 8x57JR, or 8x57JSR), which is a *rimmed* cartridge for use in German single-shots and drillings. These should *not* be used in rifles designed for rimless cases (like the Mausers)."

GUNRUNNER · 04-11-2005, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dog

8X57R?! Never heard of such a critter!
We gotta get DANA's take on this. Is there is . . . or there ain't . . . an 8X57R rimmed Mauser cartridge?

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...ff&oi=froogler

Check it out....

DANA · 04-11-2005, 07:53 PM

Well covered by all

DANA

04-09-2005, 02:59 PM	#1
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	TURK 1893 8mm MAUSERS several suppliers are offering Turkish M1893 rifles as pre 1898 antiques hence no ffl needed. i was considering one. but reading the fine print about them at Center Fire Systems, they are 8X57mm Mauser RIMMED!!! just to let everyone know about that.

04-11-2005, 06:19 PM	#6
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,642	8X57R?! Never heard of such a critter! We gotta get DANA's take on this. Is there is . . . or there ain't . . . an 8X57R rimmed Mauser cartridge? __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

04-11-2005, 06:56 PM	#8
nlinc Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 11	I'd like to point out that several sources put the 1893/1938 mausers as 8x57JS (8mm mauser). They are availible from www.sportsmandguide.com as "8mm Mauser" www.surplusrifle.com calls it 8x57mm Mauser and has picture of regular 8x57 being loaded and unloaded into one. Note that the original 1893 Turkish mauser was chambered in 7.65x53mm caliber but were later rechambered to 7.92x57mm (8mm Mauser). The 1938 standard caliber was 8mm Mauser. The fact that no one has seen surplus 8x57R ammo coming out of turkey, and only 8x57 Mauser suggest this as well. And note that Turkey used their mausers until the 1950's when they were replaced with weapons of US origin.(Hogg, 217) And the model 1938 was just all the mauser rifles that Turkey had reworked into 8mm mauser. EDIT: I also dug up some more info on 8x57R http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIID1c1.html "There is also 8x57R (or 8x57JR, or 8x57JSR), which is a rimmed cartridge for use in German single-shots and drillings. These should not be used in rifles designed for rimless cases (like the Mausers)." Last edited by nlinc; 04-11-2005 at 07:11 PM.

04-09-2005, 03:01 PM	#2
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	Ha! Thanks PAPA G - I had been looking at those too but my pockets are empty.

04-09-2005, 03:02 PM	#3
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04-09-2005, 03:35 PM	#4
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	i'm gonna call CFS monday, to make sure the online catalog is correct.

04-11-2005, 04:12 PM	#5
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	well i called CFS, the gentleman on the other end, stated that the paper catalog is a misprint, and that the rifles are indeed 8X57R. so i guess unless i stumble upon a couple ammo cans of the rimmed Mauser cartridges i won't be order any.

04-11-2005, 06:31 PM	#7
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	Yep, seen a box of 'em in a gun store the other day. The owner accidently ordered them.

04-11-2005, 07:53 PM	#10
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