Need help and some info

gznadroj · 12-09-2007, 09:40 PM

Need some help on getting some more info about this gun.. Anything anybody can tell me would be great...

Here are some pictures of some markings on it.

"F.10424" is on the right
"A.3781" is on the left with a (T) above it.

It's marked ".30" and what looks like a "B"

Is marked "R.FAMAGE 1952"

This is a stamp or something.
It's an eagle holding a ribbon that says "Libertad Iordcn", I think.

Here is the gun...

Mooseman684 · 12-09-2007, 10:00 PM

Here is a Link to a similar rifle...Your is either 30/06 or .308. What year model is stamped on it ? Any ?
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mau...ge-1952-a.html (98 mauser? R.FAMAGE 1952)
Rich

The first 3 pictures are blurred...Size them down..

rckymtnboy · 12-09-2007, 10:07 PM

Sizing down those pics won't help...you'll have to pull the camera a few inches away so it can focus...it's too close for the camera's focus range.

gznadroj · 12-09-2007, 10:20 PM

Yeah I was trying to get detailed pictures of the markings but they didn't turn out very well..

rckymtnboy · 12-09-2007, 10:22 PM

No biggie, just try again, but back up with the camera a few inches so you can get the detail. Your photos are coming out plenty big enough to be able to see them.

Mooseman684 · 12-09-2007, 10:24 PM

I am particularly interested in the mark on the top of the front of the receiver...Indicates country in South America.
Rich

gznadroj · 12-09-2007, 10:26 PM

What do you need to know about it?

Mooseman684 · 12-09-2007, 10:28 PM

I would like to see the mark if it is not ground off...It is the Country of origin.

gznadroj · 12-09-2007, 10:29 PM

It's not ground off at all.. I will try and get a picture of it tomorrow and post it on here.. It's actually my Father-In-Law's gun and he was wanting me try and find out as much about it as I could...

Mooseman684 · 12-09-2007, 10:38 PM

I will tell you what I can about it !
Rich

gznadroj · 12-09-2007, 10:39 PM

Awesome.. Thanks..

gznadroj · 12-11-2007, 08:01 PM

Here is a close up of the marking

Mooseman684 · 12-11-2007, 10:23 PM

R. Famage Columbian Mauser

Reformado Fabrica Materiales de Guerra (Bogota, Colombia)

From 1952 to about 1960, Colombia rebuilt (Reformado) most, if not all the older 7mm Mausers of various extractions (Steyr M1912, FN M24/30, Steyr M29 and Vz24) to a common stock .30/06 version. At the time, Colombia had just bought a small batch of FN M1950 .30 cal Mauser Rifles and Gendarmerie carbines. The Reformado rifles were built to closely approximate the New FN rifles. Many had the original barrel rebored and rechambered, others had new FN barrels applied. All the Reformado rifles are blocked into an "F" series of serial numbers. The crest may seem worn, because it usually is. Good condition R. Famage rifles usually have matching bolts. I have seen some that were Chambered for .308 later on, so I suggest you try a 30/06 round first, if it chambers up with a push of the finger, it is 30/06...
Value runs 200-400 for an all original, and around 150.00 for a sporter like you have.
Look for Manufacturer stamps on the left side of the receiver , or the letters FN or CZ anywhere.but it is More than likely a Belgium made FN Rifle.
Rich

gznadroj · 12-12-2007, 07:17 AM

On the left side it's marked

"F.10424" is on the right
"A.3781" is on the left with a (T) above it. It's a T in a circle..

Thanks for all your help!

Mooseman684 · 12-13-2007, 08:48 PM

The F # is the serial Number. Not sure what the A # is, the T in a circle is a Proof mark...
Glad I could help you out....
Rich

Paper · 12-16-2007, 09:59 PM

I can't help with the ID of the rifle, but I can help with the photos..
On your digital camera you'll have a button or setting known as Macro. This is what you use for close up pictures like what you're doing..

Usually, Macro is done without flash, so you might need to help out with a flashlight, troublelight, or just getting into a bright room.. Usually with Macro, you can get within 3-4" of the subject and still take an extremely sharp photo..

Here's a few that I've done, and it's very, very easy.. And since it's digital, if it doesn't work, delete it..

This was about 14" away from pie...

From about 12" away..

From about 8" away..

12-09-2007, 09:40 PM	#1
gznadroj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	Need help and some info Need some help on getting some more info about this gun.. Anything anybody can tell me would be great... Here are some pictures of some markings on it. "F.10424" is on the right "A.3781" is on the left with a (T) above it. It's marked ".30" and what looks like a "B" Is marked "R.FAMAGE 1952" This is a stamp or something. It's an eagle holding a ribbon that says "Libertad Iordcn", I think. Here is the gun...

12-09-2007, 10:00 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,002 Images: 2	Here is a Link to a similar rifle...Your is either 30/06 or .308. What year model is stamped on it ? Any ? http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mau...ge-1952-a.html (98 mauser? R.FAMAGE 1952) Rich The first 3 pictures are blurred...Size them down.. __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM! Last edited by Mooseman684; 12-09-2007 at 10:01 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-09-2007, 10:07 PM	#3
rckymtnboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: I am a dual resident. Posts: 340 Images: 20	Sizing down those pics won't help...you'll have to pull the camera a few inches away so it can focus...it's too close for the camera's focus range. __________________ When they come for my guns, I'll give 'em the bullets first!

12-09-2007, 10:22 PM	#5
rckymtnboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: I am a dual resident. Posts: 340 Images: 20	No biggie, just try again, but back up with the camera a few inches so you can get the detail. Your photos are coming out plenty big enough to be able to see them. __________________ When they come for my guns, I'll give 'em the bullets first!

12-09-2007, 10:24 PM	#6
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,002 Images: 2	I am particularly interested in the mark on the top of the front of the receiver...Indicates country in South America. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-09-2007, 10:20 PM	#4
gznadroj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	Yeah I was trying to get detailed pictures of the markings but they didn't turn out very well..

12-09-2007, 10:26 PM	#7
gznadroj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	What do you need to know about it?

12-09-2007, 10:28 PM	#8
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,002 Images: 2	I would like to see the mark if it is not ground off...It is the Country of origin. __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-09-2007, 10:29 PM	#9
gznadroj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	It's not ground off at all.. I will try and get a picture of it tomorrow and post it on here.. It's actually my Father-In-Law's gun and he was wanting me try and find out as much about it as I could...

12-09-2007, 10:38 PM	#10
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,002 Images: 2	I will tell you what I can about it ! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-09-2007, 10:39 PM	#11
gznadroj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	Awesome.. Thanks..

12-11-2007, 08:01 PM	#12
gznadroj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	Here is a close up of the marking

12-11-2007, 10:23 PM	#13
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,002 Images: 2	R. Famage Columbian Mauser Reformado Fabrica Materiales de Guerra (Bogota, Colombia) From 1952 to about 1960, Colombia rebuilt (Reformado) most, if not all the older 7mm Mausers of various extractions (Steyr M1912, FN M24/30, Steyr M29 and Vz24) to a common stock .30/06 version. At the time, Colombia had just bought a small batch of FN M1950 .30 cal Mauser Rifles and Gendarmerie carbines. The Reformado rifles were built to closely approximate the New FN rifles. Many had the original barrel rebored and rechambered, others had new FN barrels applied. All the Reformado rifles are blocked into an "F" series of serial numbers. The crest may seem worn, because it usually is. Good condition R. Famage rifles usually have matching bolts. I have seen some that were Chambered for .308 later on, so I suggest you try a 30/06 round first, if it chambers up with a push of the finger, it is 30/06... Value runs 200-400 for an all original, and around 150.00 for a sporter like you have. Look for Manufacturer stamps on the left side of the receiver , or the letters FN or CZ anywhere.but it is More than likely a Belgium made FN Rifle. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-12-2007, 07:17 AM	#14
gznadroj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	On the left side it's marked "F.10424" is on the right "A.3781" is on the left with a (T) above it. It's a T in a circle.. Thanks for all your help!

12-13-2007, 08:48 PM	#15
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,002 Images: 2	The F # is the serial Number. Not sure what the A # is, the T in a circle is a Proof mark... Glad I could help you out.... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-16-2007, 09:59 PM	#16
Paper One Buwwit Weft Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: IL/WI Border Posts: 1,179	I can't help with the ID of the rifle, but I can help with the photos.. On your digital camera you'll have a button or setting known as Macro. This is what you use for close up pictures like what you're doing.. Usually, Macro is done without flash, so you might need to help out with a flashlight, troublelight, or just getting into a bright room.. Usually with Macro, you can get within 3-4" of the subject and still take an extremely sharp photo.. Here's a few that I've done, and it's very, very easy.. And since it's digital, if it doesn't work, delete it.. This was about 14" away from pie... From about 12" away.. From about 8" away.. __________________