quick question

mm_christ · 12-19-2007, 01:41 PM

back in the states I purchased a k98 a while back from 1940 that came with a WW1 combat engineers bayonet(very cool i hate to be on the business end of that back in the russian front days) anyway its in superb condition and the bore is strong and bright. with a fire-arm like would anyone keep on using or set it aside as collectors piece? Not to mention this is the oldest weapon I have out of my collection, for now. but I'm only 20 and got a long way to go as far as collecting military weapons.

Cyrano · 12-19-2007, 01:57 PM

If it were me, I'd clean it and the bayonet, wipe them down with a protectant cloth, and then regard them as collector pieces. Rifles from that early in the war in the condition you describe aren't very common, in my experience. I'd get another 98K to shoot. You can find some nice 98Ks at Classic Arms for between $250 and $300. Here is the link:

Firearms

lefty o · 12-19-2007, 04:00 PM

personally, treat it like you would any other quality firearm. shoot it, take care of it, dont abuse it.

SwedeSteve · 12-20-2007, 12:03 PM

Y own it, if you don't shoot it? Collect baseball cards!

troy2000 · 12-20-2007, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrano

If it were me, I'd clean it and the bayonet, wipe them down with a protectant cloth, and then regard them as collector pieces. Rifles from that early in the war in the condition you describe aren't very common, in my experience. I'd get another 98K to shoot. You can find some nice 98Ks at Classic Arms for between $250 and $300. Here is the link:
Firearms

I guess I don't have a collector's mentality. While I understand the sentiment, I personally don't own wall hangers. I expect every gun I own to shoot; that's what they were designed and built for.

That doesn't mean I abuse them, of course. And there are a couple I'm very, very careful with. But I'd no more keep a gun and not shoot it than I'd own a car and not drive it.

mm_christ · 12-25-2007, 09:22 AM

good point troy 2k

billy · 12-25-2007, 10:13 AM

i wont have one i wont shoot.

Dookiebutt · 12-25-2007, 10:20 PM

Tell that to the Luger collectors.

lefty o · 12-25-2007, 10:23 PM

some collectors are nut cases. im also in the category of i wont own it if i dont at least occasionally shoot it.

toolman · 12-25-2007, 11:39 PM

Look at it this way, it was built to withstand extremely harsh wartime conditions. The shooting you're likely to do with it will probably seem like a vacation to an old war veteran like that. Shoot it, clean it, enjoy it...

mm_christ · 12-26-2007, 04:15 PM

that i'll do, when go home on leave here soon, say how do you post pics here on g&g?

billy · 12-26-2007, 04:19 PM

go to a photo hosting site.
i use photobucket and they will tell you what to do

i have some that i am VERY careful with .
but i still take em out for a spin once in awhile..

Ricochet · 12-27-2007, 07:11 PM

I won't own one and not shoot it, either.

Sarge · 01-01-2008, 12:52 AM

Well, first off I Do NOT agree with the "If I own it, I gotta shoot is" group!
I would about bet than none of you own a truly valuable collectable firearm that you shoot. For example my WW 2 Walther P.38 30 Luger single action in mint condition - value 10K+. IF you do then you're just making mine more valuable, altho I cringe at the thought!
And then there is the fact that if you have very many guns it's pretty hard to shoot all of them very often.
Again for example my 49 K98k rifles. If I went shooting every week and took one of them along with all the other stuff I take, it would take me a year to have shot them all. Since I only go about every couple of months it would take me 10 years, unless I went out 1 time just to shoot 20+ 98ks.
When you are not a Serious military collector and only have a dozen or 15 guns, many of which are civilian, then shooting everything is pretty easy. Or if your "collection" consists of shooter grade weapons as apposed to truly "Collector" grade.
Sarge

toolman · 01-01-2008, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

Well, first off I Do NOT agree with the "If I own it, I gotta shoot is" group!
I would about bet than none of you own a truly valuable collectable firearm that you shoot. For example my WW 2 Walther P.38 30 Luger single action in mint condition - value 10K+. IF you do then you're just making mine more valuable, altho I cringe at the thought!
And then there is the fact that if you have very many guns it's pretty hard to shoot all of them very often.
Again for example my 49 K98k rifles. If I went shooting every week and took one of them along with all the other stuff I take, it would take me a year to have shot them all. Since I only go about every couple of months it would take me 10 years, unless I went out 1 time just to shoot 20+ 98ks.
When you are not a Serious military collector and only have a dozen or 15 guns, many of which are civilian, then shooting everything is pretty easy. Or if your "collection" consists of shooter grade weapons as apposed to truly "Collector" grade.
Sarge

So which gun in your collection was designed to NOT be shot? As far as I know, ALL mil-surps were made to be shot, most at enemy combatants. This makes "general" shooting ie: plinking, the easiest action these guns have ever seen. I may be wrong, but I can't tell any difference in a gun shot by me and a gun shot by a Nazi officer. As far as I'm concerned, a gun unshot is ornamental.

SwedeSteve · 01-01-2008, 10:21 AM

EXACTLY!!

Sarge · 01-13-2008, 02:38 AM

Yep go ahead and shoot all of your collector grade guns! I'm sure that any you have and shoot are not likely to break, just because they are 50 - 100 yrs old and besides, if they did you could always buy any old "correkt part" and replace the broken one. The fact that the broken one had a ser nr or specific proofs on it and your replacement did not would undoubtedly not effect the value by more than 50% so why worry - Right?
I've had the broken ser nr'd part problem. It only made the G43 worth about 1/3 less $. That's as in $500 worth maby $350+ afterwards. Now days that same matching rifle would be worth around $3k, but as a mismatch is worth closer to $1800.
Yep, I agree if you have a collector grade firearm, by all means take it out and shoot it regularily instead of hanging it on the wall. The more you break the more my guns increase in value. Kinda like taking your 1970 Corvette out to the demolition derby!
I've got about 150 "Ornaments" and about 50 shooters. I have yet to suffer any mental/physical hardships by not shooting any of the 150!
Sarge

12-19-2007, 01:41 PM	#1
mm_christ Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: RAF Mildenhall 100 ARW Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	quick question back in the states I purchased a k98 a while back from 1940 that came with a WW1 combat engineers bayonet(very cool i hate to be on the business end of that back in the russian front days) anyway its in superb condition and the bore is strong and bright. with a fire-arm like would anyone keep on using or set it aside as collectors piece? Not to mention this is the oldest weapon I have out of my collection, for now. but I'm only 20 and got a long way to go as far as collecting military weapons. __________________ I belong to the chair force...literally!!!

12-20-2007, 12:03 PM	#4
SwedeSteve Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 9,169 Trader Rating: (0)	Y own it, if you don't shoot it? Collect baseball cards! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

12-25-2007, 09:22 AM	#6
mm_christ Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: RAF Mildenhall 100 ARW Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	good point troy 2k __________________ I belong to the chair force...literally!!!

12-25-2007, 10:13 AM	#7
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	i wont have one i wont shoot. __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya!

12-25-2007, 11:39 PM	#10
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,361 Trader Rating: (0)	Look at it this way, it was built to withstand extremely harsh wartime conditions. The shooting you're likely to do with it will probably seem like a vacation to an old war veteran like that. Shoot it, clean it, enjoy it... __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

12-19-2007, 01:57 PM	#2
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,965 Trader Rating: (0)	If it were me, I'd clean it and the bayonet, wipe them down with a protectant cloth, and then regard them as collector pieces. Rifles from that early in the war in the condition you describe aren't very common, in my experience. I'd get another 98K to shoot. You can find some nice 98Ks at Classic Arms for between $250 and $300. Here is the link: Firearms

12-19-2007, 04:00 PM	#3
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,693 Trader Rating: (0)	personally, treat it like you would any other quality firearm. shoot it, take care of it, dont abuse it.

12-25-2007, 10:20 PM	#8
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,027 Trader Rating: (0)	Tell that to the Luger collectors.

12-25-2007, 10:23 PM	#9
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,693 Trader Rating: (0)	some collectors are nut cases. im also in the category of i wont own it if i dont at least occasionally shoot it.

12-26-2007, 04:15 PM	#11
mm_christ Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: RAF Mildenhall 100 ARW Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	that i'll do, when go home on leave here soon, say how do you post pics here on g&g? __________________ I belong to the chair force...literally!!!

12-26-2007, 04:19 PM	#12
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	go to a photo hosting site. i use photobucket and they will tell you what to do i have some that i am VERY careful with . but i still take em out for a spin once in awhile.. __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya! Last edited by billy; 12-26-2007 at 04:21 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-27-2007, 07:11 PM	#13
Ricochet Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Posts: 166 Trader Rating: (0)	I won't own one and not shoot it, either. __________________ "A cheerful heart is good medicine."

01-01-2008, 12:52 AM	#14
Sarge Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 206 Trader Rating: (0)	Well, first off I Do NOT agree with the "If I own it, I gotta shoot is" group! I would about bet than none of you own a truly valuable collectable firearm that you shoot. For example my WW 2 Walther P.38 30 Luger single action in mint condition - value 10K+. IF you do then you're just making mine more valuable, altho I cringe at the thought! And then there is the fact that if you have very many guns it's pretty hard to shoot all of them very often. Again for example my 49 K98k rifles. If I went shooting every week and took one of them along with all the other stuff I take, it would take me a year to have shot them all. Since I only go about every couple of months it would take me 10 years, unless I went out 1 time just to shoot 20+ 98ks. When you are not a Serious military collector and only have a dozen or 15 guns, many of which are civilian, then shooting everything is pretty easy. Or if your "collection" consists of shooter grade weapons as apposed to truly "Collector" grade. Sarge

01-01-2008, 10:21 AM	#16
SwedeSteve Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 9,169 Trader Rating: (0)	EXACTLY!! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

01-13-2008, 02:38 AM	#17
Sarge Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 206 Trader Rating: (0)	Yep go ahead and shoot all of your collector grade guns! I'm sure that any you have and shoot are not likely to break, just because they are 50 - 100 yrs old and besides, if they did you could always buy any old "correkt part" and replace the broken one. The fact that the broken one had a ser nr or specific proofs on it and your replacement did not would undoubtedly not effect the value by more than 50% so why worry - Right? I've had the broken ser nr'd part problem. It only made the G43 worth about 1/3 less $. That's as in $500 worth maby $350+ afterwards. Now days that same matching rifle would be worth around $3k, but as a mismatch is worth closer to $1800. Yep, I agree if you have a collector grade firearm, by all means take it out and shoot it regularily instead of hanging it on the wall. The more you break the more my guns increase in value. Kinda like taking your 1970 Corvette out to the demolition derby! I've got about 150 "Ornaments" and about 50 shooters. I have yet to suffer any mental/physical hardships by not shooting any of the 150! Sarge