Turkish Mauser Feed Problem

zino · 06-29-2008, 10:03 PM

I have a Turkish Mauser M38 with a feed problem. If I cycle the bolt slowly it will feed the cartridges fine, If I operate the bolt at a normal pace the cartridge becomes disengaged from the bolt face in the chamber not allowing the bolt to close. Am I having extractor problems or what? The gun is a fantastic shooter, very acurate.

sbowers5 · 06-29-2008, 10:22 PM

I think that the round is not geting under the extractor claw, check the lower corner of the extractor for burrs and proper clearance from the bolt face.
steve

Iron_Colonel · 06-29-2008, 10:24 PM

Its hard to say what it is without really being able to see it. I have a Turk Mauser, and have never encountered a problem like this. Maybe you have a weak mag spring that when you go slow it has enough force and time to push up and seat on the bolt face. Maybe when you go at a normal speed the weak spring doesn't allow it to pop up fast enough?

It seems to me that there shouldn't be anything obstructing the extractor if it functions when you go slowly. Or else when you take the bolt forward stripping a round off top, maybe it disengages from the mag well too quickly and bounces around a little and when it gets into the chamber, and never is seated to the bolt face?

Thats interesting. So when you take a round off the top of the mag you can lock the bolt down in the firing position and it will close completely in the normal ready firing position, but when you do it fast, it won't close all the way on the round? I would think that if that happened, you should be able to work the action the rest of the way and the extractor should go around the case with a little persuasion.

Maybe try stretching out the mag spring if you think thats a problem. Maybe someone else with a different thought might come along.

rfc357 · 06-30-2008, 06:05 PM

The easiest fix is to have a 'smith grind the extractor so it will snap over the rim on closing. This effectively changes the gun from a controlled-feed to a push-feed. This will not affect safety or reliability at all, and is a common modification on military Mausers. It is not difficult to do. You can do it yourself if you are adventurous, but get proper instructions first. At worst you can ruin the extractor, but they are cheap.

jimkim · 07-06-2008, 02:46 AM

Seems like I had a 98 that did this once. It was the follower. The rounds were at an odd angle and if you closed the bolt fast the round would jump past the feed lips. Take a look how the rounds fit in the magazine. If you have another Mauser swap mag springs and followers. See if that helps. More than likely Steve is right. But just in case check that.

06-29-2008, 10:03 PM	#1
zino Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 34	Turkish Mauser Feed Problem I have a Turkish Mauser M38 with a feed problem. If I cycle the bolt slowly it will feed the cartridges fine, If I operate the bolt at a normal pace the cartridge becomes disengaged from the bolt face in the chamber not allowing the bolt to close. Am I having extractor problems or what? The gun is a fantastic shooter, very acurate.

06-29-2008, 10:22 PM	#2
sbowers5 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: sawyer, ok Posts: 669	I think that the round is not geting under the extractor claw, check the lower corner of the extractor for burrs and proper clearance from the bolt face. steve __________________ For those who never fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.

06-29-2008, 10:24 PM	#3
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 776	Its hard to say what it is without really being able to see it. I have a Turk Mauser, and have never encountered a problem like this. Maybe you have a weak mag spring that when you go slow it has enough force and time to push up and seat on the bolt face. Maybe when you go at a normal speed the weak spring doesn't allow it to pop up fast enough? It seems to me that there shouldn't be anything obstructing the extractor if it functions when you go slowly. Or else when you take the bolt forward stripping a round off top, maybe it disengages from the mag well too quickly and bounces around a little and when it gets into the chamber, and never is seated to the bolt face? Thats interesting. So when you take a round off the top of the mag you can lock the bolt down in the firing position and it will close completely in the normal ready firing position, but when you do it fast, it won't close all the way on the round? I would think that if that happened, you should be able to work the action the rest of the way and the extractor should go around the case with a little persuasion. Maybe try stretching out the mag spring if you think thats a problem. Maybe someone else with a different thought might come along. __________________ "Why does your faucet sound like an incoming artillery strike?" "Because I'm patriotic."

06-30-2008, 06:05 PM	#4
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	The easiest fix is to have a 'smith grind the extractor so it will snap over the rim on closing. This effectively changes the gun from a controlled-feed to a push-feed. This will not affect safety or reliability at all, and is a common modification on military Mausers. It is not difficult to do. You can do it yourself if you are adventurous, but get proper instructions first. At worst you can ruin the extractor, but they are cheap. __________________ Certified rifle and pistol instructor

07-06-2008, 02:46 AM	#5
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,609 Blog Entries: 15	Seems like I had a 98 that did this once. It was the follower. The rounds were at an odd angle and if you closed the bolt fast the round would jump past the feed lips. Take a look how the rounds fit in the magazine. If you have another Mauser swap mag springs and followers. See if that helps. More than likely Steve is right. But just in case check that. __________________ "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."