Mauser98k vs. Mosin Nagant M44

therifleman · 08-05-2008, 08:03 PM

To me the Mauser98k is better than the Mosion Nagant in all respects. What you all think. I feel i can ask this question on this fourum and get true results, unlike on the rest of those fourums witch give you spam since you favor one type of weapon ect. ect.

mosquitofish · 08-05-2008, 08:07 PM

they are both solid rifles. I thing dealers choice. I have a mosin gut would love a mauser.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 08-06-2008, 01:36 AM

I believe the Mauser is a better manufactured (for the most part) and designed rifle over the Mosin-Nagant. On my 95 Chlieno Mauser I polished the bolt with really fine wet and dry sandpaper. If I cock it and then open the bolt just jumps open. Most Mosin bolts are sticky and just dont cycle as well as a nice smooth Mauser bolt will. I also like the lines of the Mauser better as well.
But I still like the Mosin as well. Just in a different way.

Mooseman684 · 08-06-2008, 02:09 AM

I like both as far as Military rifles go but I own 2 Mausers and 13 Mosins !

nathangdad · 08-06-2008, 02:11 AM

manufacturing quality. Note the 98 receiver is still a design in production after many, many decades and that says a lot.

BOHICA1962 · 08-06-2008, 10:44 AM

I've owned an m44 and a 91/59 but now the only MN I own are Finnish M39s. The M39s compare favorably with my Swedish 96s and 38s. The Mausers are sleeker in appearance and have better triggers but the M39 is very close in accuracy. I would hate to choose betwen the two but if I had to I'd probably choose the Swedes. I have one K98 and the trigger and accuracy doesn't come close to the Swedes, M39s or my Swiss K31s. I probably wont buy another K98 when I can get any one of the other 3 rifles for the same $......or less.

sc928porsche · 08-06-2008, 10:56 AM

For the most part, the Mauser is a finer crafted rifle. The machine work seems to be better and the action is smoother. Either can be considered a "workhorse" and in its original form quite suitable for military an civilian needs. The MN is a bit limited by its cartridge selection when compared to all the Mausers. When matched up with new barrels, the Mauser seems to be a bit better with accuracy, but not a lot.

Ermac · 08-06-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by therifleman

To me the Mauser98k is better than the Mosion Nagant in all respects. What you all think. I feel i can ask this question on this fourum and get true results, unlike on the rest of those fourums witch give you spam since you favor one type of weapon ect. ect.

Why are you comparing the Mauser98k to the M44 carbine? I think comparing it to the 91/30 would make more sense. I haven't shot a mauser but I have shot a Nagant and from what I heard the 98k is more well built and much more accurate.

Chris61289 · 08-06-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ermac

Why are you comparing the Mauser98k to the M44 carbine? I think comparing it to the 91/30 would make more sense. I haven't shot a mauser but I have shot a Nagant and from what I heard the 98k is more well built and much more accurate.

alot of these posts he's putting up are like ones I see started by little kids on the XBox forum for CoD 3&4 and now C0D:WaW.
But I'd go with the M44 over the Kar 98k. Although I agree with what someone stated earlier. Why compare the Kar 98k to the M44? compare it to the 1891/30

TheWanderingMind · 08-06-2008, 01:07 PM

It's like this thing I saw on tanks on the Military Channel the other day. "The Panzer gets high points for fear factor and etcetera but it was overengineered so its maintainability puts it down in the ratings..." It's a difference between craftsmanship and rugged utility. The Mauser was made by craftsmen - in all the good old European sense of the word. The Mosin was made by half-trained journeymen, but it didn't demand craftsmanship - only functionality.

Given a choice, I'd pick the Mauser, if I could afford it. But I wouldn't turn down a decent Mosin, either. I've run across some Mosins that almost seem hand-fitted.

.22guy · 08-06-2008, 01:19 PM

Apples and oranges, in my opinion. They are what they are.

therifleman · 08-06-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris61289

alot of these posts he's putting up are like ones I see started by little kids on the XBox forum for CoD 3&4 and now C0D:WaW.
But I'd go with the M44 over the Kar 98k. Although I agree with what someone stated earlier. Why compare the Kar 98k to the M44? compare it to the 1891/30

wow,This is a new record 11 post and only one negitive post! Try asking the same question on ww2 Forums and see what happens.

cremley · 08-06-2008, 04:39 PM

I have never fired a Mauser so I have nothing to compare against. I have held a Mauser that was sporterized and rechambered in 30-06 and the bolt moved really well. as others have said, the Mauser wins in the craftsmanship and the smoothness but the Mosin wins in functionality (being able to beat the crap out of it and it still works) and the price of surplus ammo

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Chris61289 · 08-06-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by therifleman

wow,This is a new record 11 post and only one negitive post! Try asking the same question on ww2 Forums and see what happens.

Well, why don't you back your claim up with facts istead of just saying it's better?

Just like in your SVD vs. M21 post, you sate the SVD is better because "no real reson just i like the svd better". Wow good argument. I've seen middle-school kids in a debate class make better arguements than that.

therifleman · 08-06-2008, 04:43 PM

True, but the mauser is near if not as rugged

therifleman · 08-06-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris61289

Well, why don't you back your claim up with facts istead of just saying it's better?

Just like in your SVD vs. M21 post, you sate the SVD is better because "no real reson just i like the svd better". Wow good argument. I've seen middle-school kids in a debate class make better arguements than that.

well the mauser action is used in every modern bolt-action rifle as the mosin nagant action is used in few if any,better bullet, the 7.92x57 is more accurate than the 7.62x54R and packs a bigger punch, yes i have shot both and handloaded both's ammunition. Any more questions?

therifleman · 08-06-2008, 09:07 PM

Then you would say compare it to the M44 if i compared it to the 91/30

therifleman · 08-07-2008, 06:53 PM

oh, man i have a mauser rage, i cant wait to buy my 4th 98k

Iron_Colonel · 08-09-2008, 01:56 AM

It seems to me that most Kar 98K Mausers are better quality than the Russian line of rifles. If you compared any war era K98 Mauser with any War era (WWII era) Mosin, to me, it would seem that quality would be a little better on the Mauser. I have a byf 42 K98 Mauser and it is an absolutely beautiful Russian capture gun. I've got a 1943 M38 and the machining isn't as nice on it as the Mauser, and they are only a year apart. The Mauser has a pristine bore and a beautiful near perfect stock. My M38 is a nice looking rifle, and isn't a piece of junk, but the German quality is just a bit better than the Russians were able to produce.

But, on the other hand, I have a near perfect Mosin M44 that could rival the quality of the K98 I have since it was made in 1946, when there were no Germans invading the country (I don't have a pre/post war Mauser to compare a post war Mosin to). So I suppose if the same era, pre/during/post war rifles were compared, they would probably be pretty close in quality. Its hard to say though. Don't get me wrong, I like my Mosins, and I like my Mauser but maybe I should just play it safe and say I love them all the same. Kinda like children I guess. Who plays favorites anyways.....lol

Ferroflame · 08-09-2008, 07:18 PM

The answer is quite obvious to me..

The M44 has a big spike coming out the front.

That way, the enemy not only has a gun pointed at them, but a long, sharp object as well.

08-05-2008, 08:03 PM	#1
therifleman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: glennville ga Posts: 155 Blog Entries: 2	Mauser98k vs. Mosin Nagant M44 To me the Mauser98k is better than the Mosion Nagant in all respects. What you all think. I feel i can ask this question on this fourum and get true results, unlike on the rest of those fourums witch give you spam since you favor one type of weapon ect. ect. __________________ can't wait t'll winter

08-05-2008, 08:07 PM	#2
mosquitofish Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: So. Calif. Posts: 315	they are both solid rifles. I thing dealers choice. I have a mosin gut would love a mauser. __________________ Earth humor

08-06-2008, 01:36 AM	#3
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,729 Images: 44	I believe the Mauser is a better manufactured (for the most part) and designed rifle over the Mosin-Nagant. On my 95 Chlieno Mauser I polished the bolt with really fine wet and dry sandpaper. If I cock it and then open the bolt just jumps open. Most Mosin bolts are sticky and just dont cycle as well as a nice smooth Mauser bolt will. I also like the lines of the Mauser better as well. But I still like the Mosin as well. Just in a different way. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

08-06-2008, 02:09 AM	#4
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,002 Images: 2	I like both as far as Military rifles go but I own 2 Mausers and 13 Mosins ! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

08-06-2008, 02:11 AM	#5
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,226	Personally, I feel the 98k is superior in design and manufacturing quality. Note the 98 receiver is still a design in production after many, many decades and that says a lot.

08-06-2008, 10:44 AM	#6
BOHICA1962 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LUBBOCK TEXAS Posts: 293	I've owned an m44 and a 91/59 but now the only MN I own are Finnish M39s. The M39s compare favorably with my Swedish 96s and 38s. The Mausers are sleeker in appearance and have better triggers but the M39 is very close in accuracy. I would hate to choose betwen the two but if I had to I'd probably choose the Swedes. I have one K98 and the trigger and accuracy doesn't come close to the Swedes, M39s or my Swiss K31s. I probably wont buy another K98 when I can get any one of the other 3 rifles for the same $......or less.

08-06-2008, 10:56 AM	#7
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: living in Alabama now Posts: 339	For the most part, the Mauser is a finer crafted rifle. The machine work seems to be better and the action is smoother. Either can be considered a "workhorse" and in its original form quite suitable for military an civilian needs. The MN is a bit limited by its cartridge selection when compared to all the Mausers. When matched up with new barrels, the Mauser seems to be a bit better with accuracy, but not a lot.

08-06-2008, 01:07 PM	#10
TheWanderingMind Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Posts: 840 Images: 13 Blog Entries: 11	It's like this thing I saw on tanks on the Military Channel the other day. "The Panzer gets high points for fear factor and etcetera but it was overengineered so its maintainability puts it down in the ratings..." It's a difference between craftsmanship and rugged utility. The Mauser was made by craftsmen - in all the good old European sense of the word. The Mosin was made by half-trained journeymen, but it didn't demand craftsmanship - only functionality. Given a choice, I'd pick the Mauser, if I could afford it. But I wouldn't turn down a decent Mosin, either. I've run across some Mosins that almost seem hand-fitted. __________________ Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do...

08-06-2008, 01:19 PM	#11
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,426	Apples and oranges, in my opinion. They are what they are. __________________ My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office.

08-06-2008, 04:39 PM	#13
cremley Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern New Mexico Posts: 1,441	I have never fired a Mauser so I have nothing to compare against. I have held a Mauser that was sporterized and rechambered in 30-06 and the bolt moved really well. as others have said, the Mauser wins in the craftsmanship and the smoothness but the Mosin wins in functionality (being able to beat the crap out of it and it still works) and the price of surplus ammo . __________________ I wouldn't be so paranoid if everyone wasn't out to get me.

08-06-2008, 04:43 PM	#15
therifleman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: glennville ga Posts: 155 Blog Entries: 2	True, but the mauser is near if not as rugged __________________ can't wait t'll winter

08-06-2008, 09:07 PM	#17
therifleman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: glennville ga Posts: 155 Blog Entries: 2	Then you would say compare it to the M44 if i compared it to the 91/30 __________________ can't wait t'll winter

08-07-2008, 06:53 PM	#18
therifleman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: glennville ga Posts: 155 Blog Entries: 2	oh, man i have a mauser rage, i cant wait to buy my 4th 98k __________________ can't wait t'll winter

08-09-2008, 01:56 AM	#19
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 777	It seems to me that most Kar 98K Mausers are better quality than the Russian line of rifles. If you compared any war era K98 Mauser with any War era (WWII era) Mosin, to me, it would seem that quality would be a little better on the Mauser. I have a byf 42 K98 Mauser and it is an absolutely beautiful Russian capture gun. I've got a 1943 M38 and the machining isn't as nice on it as the Mauser, and they are only a year apart. The Mauser has a pristine bore and a beautiful near perfect stock. My M38 is a nice looking rifle, and isn't a piece of junk, but the German quality is just a bit better than the Russians were able to produce. But, on the other hand, I have a near perfect Mosin M44 that could rival the quality of the K98 I have since it was made in 1946, when there were no Germans invading the country (I don't have a pre/post war Mauser to compare a post war Mosin to). So I suppose if the same era, pre/during/post war rifles were compared, they would probably be pretty close in quality. Its hard to say though. Don't get me wrong, I like my Mosins, and I like my Mauser but maybe I should just play it safe and say I love them all the same. Kinda like children I guess. Who plays favorites anyways.....lol __________________ "Why does your faucet sound like an incoming artillery strike?" "Because I'm patriotic."

08-09-2008, 07:18 PM	#20
Ferroflame Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 446	The answer is quite obvious to me.. The M44 has a big spike coming out the front. That way, the enemy not only has a gun pointed at them, but a long, sharp object as well.