Receiver question.

collinthib · 12-21-2002, 01:11 AM

on
http://www272.pair.com/stevewag/turk/turkmain.html

They talk about the differences between the K.Kale turk, which i bought, and the 98. All Wagner did was file off the 3/16 cup and said that the external appearance was the same. Is this a necessary step in bringing these old rifles to a shootable state or what? I want to make sure before I go hacking off any part of the gun.

JAMES · 12-21-2002, 10:52 PM

I don't think so, collinthib. I think what Steve Wagner is saying (and showing) is that in order to make a Turk Kirakale receiver identical externally to a German '98 large ring receiver, the ring extension must be removed (so it will look and fit the same).
I'm not a gunsmith, but I believe that the presence of that ring extension has no other functional purpose.

Unless you are planning to do a full "sporterization" or just don't like the look of the extension, I'd leave it alone. If the extension is removed, there will still be a "lip" due to the smaller barrel diameter and the front of the (large ring) receiver.

The "shootable state" should be a focus upon proper headspace, barrel condition, bolt condition, etc.

Hope I didn't confuse things any worse....
Best Wishes.

Big Dog · 12-22-2002, 05:19 AM

Steve is talking about rebarreling the Turk to take another barrel, as part of sporterizing it. If the "extension" is removed, you won't be able to mount the upper handguard, as it uses the extension as it's rear mounting point.
As long as the rifle is in good condition, it's shootable.

PAPA G · 12-22-2002, 12:48 PM

seems like he is some sort of Hackster to me. and i see nothing in his resume to show smithing skills. maybe i am wrong.

the wack job he did on the Mosin is something else. where did he learn his methods

Sorry guys but i wouldn't try anything he does. as a hobbyist its fine, but seems a little off base for me to be putting out details.

collinthib · 12-22-2002, 08:22 PM

What is the quickest way to get the bluing off?

JAMES · 12-22-2002, 10:23 PM

Heck, I'm usually more concerned with how to keep the bluing on.......move to the southeast and leave the rifle outside for a while....

Are you planning to polish the metal and reblue the rifle? You might check out Brownells.

collinthib · 12-23-2002, 01:38 AM

some of the bluing on some of the parts is pretty bad. I'll need to take off what's left and reblue it.

Big Dog · 12-23-2002, 05:45 AM

Birchwood-Casey sells a "rust & blue remover" in bottles like their blueing, and in their complete blueing kits - available at Wal-mart.
A product called "Naval Jelly" will also strip it off, as would any good paint stripper.

shockwalter · 12-30-2002, 03:08 AM

Hey Collinthib, I have to agree with Big Dog, Birchwood-Casey Rust and Blue remover kicks but. I had the receiver and barrel on my Turk completely deblued in about 10 minutes. It smell nasty but it works like a charm.

michaela · 05-27-2008, 04:33 PM

Can somebody explain to me what 'deblueing' means? Thanks.

lefty o · 05-27-2008, 04:45 PM

even though this is 6yrs old, here goes. debluing means removing the bluing(finish) from the metal parts of the rifle. it can be done both chemically and mechanically.

12-21-2002, 01:11 AM	#1
collinthib Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Groves, TX (30 min. from Beaumont) Posts: 33	Receiver question. on http://www272.pair.com/stevewag/turk/turkmain.html They talk about the differences between the K.Kale turk, which i bought, and the 98. All Wagner did was file off the 3/16 cup and said that the external appearance was the same. Is this a necessary step in bringing these old rifles to a shootable state or what? I want to make sure before I go hacking off any part of the gun. __________________ My hobbies are guns and chasing girls. They don't mix, of course, and the guns are probably much safer!

12-22-2002, 05:19 AM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,642	Steve is talking about rebarreling the Turk to take another barrel, as part of sporterizing it. If the "extension" is removed, you won't be able to mount the upper handguard, as it uses the extension as it's rear mounting point. As long as the rifle is in good condition, it's shootable. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-22-2002, 12:48 PM	#4
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	WHAT IS THIS GUYS BACKGROUND ANYWAY??? seems like he is some sort of Hackster to me. and i see nothing in his resume to show smithing skills. maybe i am wrong. the wack job he did on the Mosin is something else. where did he learn his methods Sorry guys but i wouldn't try anything he does. as a hobbyist its fine, but seems a little off base for me to be putting out details.

12-22-2002, 08:22 PM	#5
collinthib Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Groves, TX (30 min. from Beaumont) Posts: 33	General question. What is the quickest way to get the bluing off? __________________ My hobbies are guns and chasing girls. They don't mix, of course, and the guns are probably much safer!

12-23-2002, 01:38 AM	#7
collinthib Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Groves, TX (30 min. from Beaumont) Posts: 33	some of the bluing on some of the parts is pretty bad. I'll need to take off what's left and reblue it. __________________ My hobbies are guns and chasing girls. They don't mix, of course, and the guns are probably much safer!

12-21-2002, 10:52 PM	#2
JAMES Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: OKLAHOMA Posts: 575	I don't think so, collinthib. I think what Steve Wagner is saying (and showing) is that in order to make a Turk Kirakale receiver identical externally to a German '98 large ring receiver, the ring extension must be removed (so it will look and fit the same). I'm not a gunsmith, but I believe that the presence of that ring extension has no other functional purpose. Unless you are planning to do a full "sporterization" or just don't like the look of the extension, I'd leave it alone. If the extension is removed, there will still be a "lip" due to the smaller barrel diameter and the front of the (large ring) receiver. The "shootable state" should be a focus upon proper headspace, barrel condition, bolt condition, etc. Hope I didn't confuse things any worse.... Best Wishes.

12-22-2002, 10:23 PM	#6
JAMES Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: OKLAHOMA Posts: 575	Heck, I'm usually more concerned with how to keep the bluing on.......move to the southeast and leave the rifle outside for a while.... Are you planning to polish the metal and reblue the rifle? You might check out Brownells.

12-23-2002, 05:45 AM	#8
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,642	Birchwood-Casey sells a "rust & blue remover" in bottles like their blueing, and in their complete blueing kits - available at Wal-mart. A product called "Naval Jelly" will also strip it off, as would any good paint stripper. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-30-2002, 03:08 AM	#9
shockwalter Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 44	Hey Collinthib, I have to agree with Big Dog, Birchwood-Casey Rust and Blue remover kicks but. I had the receiver and barrel on my Turk completely deblued in about 10 minutes. It smell nasty but it works like a charm.

05-27-2008, 04:33 PM	#10
michaela Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1	Can somebody explain to me what 'deblueing' means? Thanks.

05-27-2008, 04:45 PM	#11
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,358	even though this is 6yrs old, here goes. debluing means removing the bluing(finish) from the metal parts of the rifle. it can be done both chemically and mechanically.