[littlestoney406]

Quote:       Originally Posted by pullnshoot25

In hindsight, why not just get an m38?

I was thinking the same thing. I don't have any problem with stock swaps and LER scope mounts, I have a 43 Izhvesk 91/30 that I have done this to to deer hunt with. It can be put back to original in no time. I just cringe when I see M44s hacked up, when there are M38s that can be "upgraded." But, in another way, it only makes my M44 worth more everytime someone cuts off a bayonet lug.

[ELMOUSMC]

Just a quick reply.Did the model 44 that I modified belong to you NO it belongs to me I bought it and there fore I can do with it as I please.It was not "hacked: up as I stated in my original post in its original configuration it did not suit the purpose that I needed it for.If my modifieing my rifle makes yours worth more great.The model 38 was not available and the model 44 was and as I said it is a well made rifle that did not cost an arm and a leg the ammo is cheap and it does the job that I require of it
BUT most important of all is that its MINE! ELMO

[Tha Dave]

and thats why you don't question Masterguns. LOL

[littlestoney406]

From now on I guess I'll keep my opinions to myslef. Everytime I say something about "sporters" someone has to huff and puff. I have alot to say in response, but it will only get ugly. So do what YOU want with YOUR rifles and I'll just keep MY thoughts and MY rifles to MYself.

[ELMOUSMC]

Why does it have to get ugly?You like your rifles and I like mine, yours either hang on the wall or sit in a gun safe.Mine is in the back of my truck or the cab of my tractor ready to do the job it was designed for.In the 18 years I have lived on this land I have never had an opportunity to bayonet a coyoty or a feral dog so I removed it and since I removed the bayonet there was no reason to have the bayonet lug
My eyes are 64 years old and with the short sighting plane of the 44 some thing had to be done with the rear sight so I removed it and put a scope in its place
To be sure it is not a "hacked up"rusty junker it is clean,oiled and loaded and ready for use when I reach for it and it has never failed to perform as it was designed to do

[cheapblaster]

Well, I'll say that extensive mods are not my cup of tea but I don't take it personally when somebody does that, especially in this case where it seems that making one darn effective coyote blaster was the purpose for doing so.

[littlestoney406]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ELMOUSMC

Why does it have to get ugly?You like your rifles and I like mine, yours either hang on the wall or sit in a gun safe.Mine is in the back of my truck or the cab of my tractor ready to do the job it was designed for.In the 18 years I have lived on this land I have never had an opportunity to bayonet a coyoty or a feral dog so I removed it and since I removed the bayonet there was no reason to have the bayonet lug My eyes are 64 years old and with the short sighting plane of the 44 some thing had to be done with the rear sight so I removed it and put a scope in its place To be sure it is not a "hacked up"rusty junker it is clean,oiled and loaded and ready for use when I reach for it and it has never failed to perform as it was designed to do

Mine do sit in the safe, but trust me, they are all used. I've deer hunted with my M44 for 3 years. At the end of last hunting season, I decided to put it away and go with a 91/30 to beat around with. I take my guns to the range and give the workouts, but only certain ones are hunted with. The Mossberg 500 for turkey, Marlin 922m for squirrles, and I do have a Winchester model 94 that deer hunt with when I'm just beating around to bushes. The 91/30 has a ATI stock and I have a also removed the rear sight and mounted a NcStar 2-7x32 LER scope there. And my three other Mosins just put lead down range.

[gandog56]

Jeeze chill guys. I personally do not like altering Mosins, but don't make a federal case out of it. But I also think an M38 would have been better original choice than having to cut the bayonet off of an M44. But once again, it was HIS gun, and whatever makes him happy is the only thing that counts.

Cripes, am I defending a Bubba, here? The world is gonna end!

[mouser868]

Think we're back to to each his own. It's his gun, he paid for it he should b e able to do what he wants. You don't have to like it but you don't have to talk down to him either. He did what he did with what he had to do with, to make his gun perform the function he wanted it to, no big deal in my eyes. He didn't do it to my gun, so no worries.

And I'll bet that really hurt you bad Gandog...lol

[gandog56]

Nah, I'm on painkillers for my knees. Couple beers watching Wisconsin whup butt, and I don't even feel the pain of defending Bubba yet.

[Wyld_Cat]

Well... when someone posts that they know they will get flamed for a comment why post it when they know what the response will be?
If you know what poking the bull-ants nest is gonna do.. why keep doing it? Do you truly expect a different outcome.
while it is his gun to do with what he likes, surely there are better option guns to start with. The Polish M44's were largely in very good condition, to unissued like mine. Mosin Nagants are so rare on the ground here in Australia that i have cried when the first T53 i saw had been bubba'd... Thankfully i've since seen an unaltered gun but since i already have the M44 which has the rep as one of the better made variants i don't need to have another one.
I've also seen a 1917 Remington M91 and cried coz i was a few dollars short on buying it... thankfully it was in good condition....
Responses here are light on compared to some sites where any mod is frowned upon.

[gandog56]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Wyld_Cat

I've also seen a 1917 Remington M91 and cried coz i was a few dollars short on buying it... thankfully it was in good condition.... Responses here are light on compared to some sites where any mod is frowned upon.

Unfortunately, Bubba done got to my New England Westinghouse Mosin and wrecked it....I bought it anyway.

[Cyrano]

I don't have a problem with what Elmo did to his M44. All he really did, when you get down to it, was turn it into a 91/59, which he then installed new sights on to have it suit his needs. Only thing I can't figure is if Elmo put it into a new stock, either Boyds or one of those ATI synthetic jobs.

Besides, if you want to get fussy, most of the Soviet-made M44s never saw combat. By the time they were in serious serial production, the Great Patriotic War was almost over, the volume of 91/30s was sufficient to arms the Red Army, and after test-firing most of the M44s were cleaned and went straight into the cosmoline and long term storage. They weren't issued to the Red Army because the 91/30s were supplanted after the war first by the SKS and then by the AK-47. It's not like Elmo altered a rare Chatellerault Model 1891 or a Cossack rifle here!

Besides, rifle of Elmo is Mosin Nagant. Mosin happiest when shooting, not for sit in gun safe most of time. He make one Mosin very, very happy.

[Cyrano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by gandog56

Unfortunately, Bubba done got to my New England Westinghouse Mosin and wrecked it....I bought it anyway.

Yeah, Bubba got to my 1899 Tula the same way.

I could forgive him the business of using an electropencil to scribble the cartridge it shoots on one of the hex flats. That, I could and did sand and polish out.

I could forgive him drenching all the metal in black automobile paint that took 20 hours to get out and required detail-stripping the rifle to do it. I learned a lot about how to disassemble and reassemble a Mosin from that experience. Spent a little time trying to tune the trigger as well, time well spent in my opinion.

What I can't forgive is the sonofabitch taking a saw to an American walnut stock and "sporterizing" it. Replacement Model 1891 stocks are rare as hen's teeth. I've been looking for two years now and haven't found one yet. Reich says not to get my hopes up. He sold me a Finnish finger-spliced stock instead that doesn't fit too badly.

But I have put twice what I paid for a bubbafied barreled action into getting decent wood and the right barrel bands for it. Damn Bubba anyway. Why couldn't he leave well enough alone?

[littlestoney406]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

I don't have a problem with what Elmo did to his M44. All he really did, when you get down to it, was turn it into a 91/59, which he then installed new sights on to have it suit his needs. Only thing I can't figure is if Elmo put it into a new stock, either Boyds or one of those ATI synthetic jobs. Besides, if you want to get fussy, most of the Soviet-made M44s never saw combat. By the time they were in serious serial production, the Great Patriotic War was almost over, the volume of 91/30s was sufficient to arms the Red Army, and after test-firing most of the M44s were cleaned and went straight into the cosmoline and long term storage. They weren't issued to the Red Army because the 91/30s were supplanted after the war first by the SKS and then by the AK-47. It's not like Elmo altered a rare Chatellerault Model 1891 or a Cossack rifle here! Besides, rifle of Elmo is Mosin Nagant. Mosin happiest when shooting, not for sit in gun safe most of time. He make one Mosin very, very happy.

My M44 is a 46 that has a mirror finish bore and is cleaned well after shooting. Besides, Elmos is a Polock not Soviet.

I thought 91/59's were cut down 91/30's, by the way, has anyone ever determined what the purpose of these were?

[Tha Dave]

I have a question: How is taking a weapon and personalizing it so that it still looks good and functions right or better anywhere close to doing a Bubba job on one. As long as it looks good and still works I don’t think anyone has done anything wrong.
This in my opinion is a Bubba job http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189045477
But this is not at least not in my opinion.

[Tha Dave]

ELMOUSMC you got any pitures of your M44?

[gandog56]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

What I can't forgive is the sonofabitch taking a saw to an American walnut stock and "sporterizing" it. Replacement Model 1891 stocks are rare as hen's teeth. I've been looking for two years now and haven't found one yet.

That's better than him just whittling some other rifle stock till it kinda sorta fit on mine. One that cracked the second time I fired the rifle. That and he chopped the barrel, put on some kind of funky front sight that shoots about 3 FEET high at 50 yards. I may have to scope this sucker just because the sights are that far off.

[ELMOUSMC]

dave: I would be glad to post some pictures, but my 6 year old granddaughter tried to send lunch to her Dad at work so until I get tthe mayo out of it,it is in the down status

[ottawa rogue]

one other thing to consider is that in some states, you can't have a bayonet on a hunting rifle.
here in Kansas you'd get a ticket for that even if it were stowed.