It has to do with the force of the gasses that are exiting your muzzle. a blank cartrige produces a sharp report but the actual pressures are miniscule compared to a real round being fired.
A muzzle brake can reduce recoil, a well designed muzzle brake can almost eliminate it, like the arrowhead style muzzle brake on the Barrett .50 cal bmg rifle. If the escapeing gasses are diverted and directed back at an angle it will greatly reduce the felt recoil. the reason that ya dont see this much Especially in infantry military firearms is that someone beside you when you fired your rifle would get a face full of muzzle blast and visa versa.
If you made a silencer type of "can" that completly captured and redirected the muzzle blast it would greatly reduced the recoil.
The thing would have to be the size of a garbage can since the volume of Gass is much more compared to a pistol. it is
possible, but impracticle.
The Brits made a Lee Endfield rifle based weapon that shot .45acp the "can" was big as a soft ball and as long as the regular barrel. The sound of the the striker hitting the cartrige was MUCH louder than the "patuie" of the bullet exiting the barrel. the sound of the bullet "smucking" the target was much more perceptable than the report of the weapon. and NO recoil
Absolutely too much thought going in to this recoil debate. The cure is either to establish the proper firing technique, placing the but into the proper spot of your body and keeping it firmly against your shoulder.....or use a recoil pad so it doesn't hurt you (newer recoil absorbing mercury dodads work too).
If your thinking about recoil, you are increasing it's effect. That affects your shooting performance.
Well I enjoy discussion, this is how I learn. Not all of us are so highly educated in the ways of firearms that we contain all knowledge about all aspect of it.. I'm trying to reconcile physics verses real life. I'm sorry if you had to read this discussion and found it to have "way to much thought" going into it.
Thanks for the input
Physics makes poor Grok's head hurt.:smashfreakB:
Rather just make boom stick make noise.
all i know is my m44 kicks harder than my 91/30 with the same ammo, perceived or not. for some reason the barrel length is a bigger factor than the weight, that's why snubbies kick like a mule regardless of their weight.
Well then let's just complicate it a bit for ya. Simply using a heavier weight projectile will change recoil energy according to Chuck Hawks http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_recoil.htm http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm. I'm not going to search more but I suspect slower vs. fast powder, temperature and even elevation contribute somewhat to recoil. Keep diggin, I don't want to interrupt your fun.
One more link...http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/FactorsOfRecoil
Exactly, and that is just stuff that can be measured. Many of the variables that influence perceived recoil you can't measure or quantify, but that certainly doesn't negate their effect.
The Mosin Nagants were developed as a weapon of war. So they produced a complete line of weapons all of which used interchangable ammo. This was so their soldiers would not be scrambling around trying to find the RIGHT ammo for the particular weapon they were shooting. It simplified their logistics of ammo distribution. It also assured them that the other side could not use any of the Russian ammo, if it were captured.
From what I read, only the machine gun ammo, also 7.62x54R, is considered too "hot" to be fired in the shorter barreled bolt-action Mosins. But, in warfare, you don't care how much it kicks, just that it will FIRE. Your life depends on it. In a firefight, all you want is something that will SHOOT.
So I expect that all Russian mil-surp ammo is loaded consistently to not overpressurize ANY of the contemporary Mosins. But when you fire these rounds, some of the shorter barrels do not allow for full burn of the powder, thus exhaust the unburned propellant to create the notorious fireballs as the unburned powder combusts outside the barrel.
Contemporary "silencers" function not so much as "mufflers", but rather by taking advantage of the fact that the pressure behind the exited bullet is travelling at supersonic speed. The clever baffles internal to the silencers are designed so that these supersonic waves form "knuckles" in the gas. These knuckles partially plug the passages, slowing the gas escape and reducing the sudden rise in pressure just outside the muzzle.
Correct! Henery.22lr and when the gasses are slowed down so is the recoil. you are getting it....
I have days where my M44 bites me and days where i am just fine with it. Off hand i rarely have an issue, even against bare skin, BUT trying to find a safe pocket in my shoulder when shooting off a bench is a PITA... That's when it bites me...
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