Is there any way to remove the Laquer on these bullets?

Oxford · 07-28-2004, 06:07 PM

Myarmor...you wrote..."Not that this is a really big deal but might save me a stiff action."

Is having a stiff action all that bad?

myarmor · 07-28-2004, 10:35 PM

Well I am 23 and it is not a really big deal to me :nod:

But to be serious I am eager to get my mosins and these bullets seem to be some of the best surplus ammo there is. I think I might buy only a small order to start with. I have heard some good things about it, so it is a possibility I might end up with some . I want to have fun with my Mosins. If they turn out to be a tack driver then more the better. If not who cares? I will still enjoy myself non the less with a powerful shooter that is affordable and fun to shoot. :gangster: I have several plans to start, but all in time and I will keep you informed on them as well. I am just now getting into the Nagant fever and I guess you guys can expect my to have a lot more questions. I do want to thank you all for what you have told me. I have learned mored in the 2 days being here than the whole year researching on my own.

Oxford · 07-28-2004, 11:48 PM

Myarmor...looks like we've got one more gun fan on our side. :right:

Welcome, and your questions are always well worth posting. :nod: Someone here will usually have some suggestions which might touch on what you need...and more. Fact is, there's some really expert members (I'm definitely not included) here who could write the book on many guns. I'm learning more about guns on G&G myself than I ever dreamed possible...and I've been a member of this forum since the dark ages.

:nod:

PAPA G · 07-29-2004, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxford

Myarmor...you wrote..."Not that this is a really big deal but might save me a stiff action."

Is having a stiff action all that bad?

dayum!!! Oxford your becoming a dirty old man in your youth

Ricochet · 08-04-2004, 02:21 PM

Don't bother removing the lacquer from the cases. That's not the problem. If lacquered cases are sticking, it's because the rifle's chamber either has some roughness in it or has some old varnished, dried up cosmoline in it. A thorough cleaning and polishing of the chamber will fix it. Does anyone really think the Russians were stupid enough to issue ammunition that wouldn't work? The problem's with the cosmoline the rifles were stored in for 50 years or so.

Ricochet · 08-04-2004, 02:23 PM

One more thing: Shooting lacquered ammo does NOT cause lacquer to build up in chambers. That's been thoroughly disproven. You can run your own test with a fired case and cigarette lighter. The stuff chars and burns off without melting.

Snakebite · 08-04-2004, 08:31 PM

If it chars and burns off OUTSIDE the gun, what does it do when in the chamber?
Ricochet, I'm not questioning you. I have never had a problem with lacquered ammo and I have shot until my shoulder was a massive bruise, my right arm didnt function and the retinas from my eyeballs were laying on the shooting bench! All my Mosins too, not just one.
I tend to agree. Its the chamber but...to disprove it, wipe em down with a quick wipe of acetone. I love acetone. It does everything! Smells good too. Ok, the last part is just me.

Ricochet · 08-06-2004, 03:43 PM

It chars off and burns outside the gun when a direct flame is applied to it. Inside the chamber, it does nothing but stay on the case where it was applied. Doesn't come off on the chamber. Take the lacquer off, and your steel cases will quickly rust. Rust is harder than steel and WILL scratch your chamber. That's why the Russians lacquered their cases. They weren't (and aren't) stupid. Their equipment is made to work reliably under rugged field conditions. The lacquer does have a higher coefficient of friction with the varnish that forms from old cosmoline, though. On the milsurp boards, some recommend the use of carburetor cleaner to get it out of the chamber. The lacquer's also plastic and can be forced under pressure of firing into grooves or scratches in the chamber, forming a lock-and-key effect. Polish it out if that's the case.

tommy · 08-06-2004, 04:04 PM

man just go shoot yo gun. don't worry about the ammo stuff. anyone who shoots thier gun and cleans it after shouldn't have any problems with it. now me i may shoot my ak47 (about 300 rounds)and wiat till the rest of my guns are dirty enough then i clean it.

Ricochet · 08-18-2004, 02:15 PM

And even when you shoot a semiauto like an AK47, SKS or Mini-14 till the oil's smoking off the barrel, the lacquer doesn't build up in the chamber and it shows no sign of melting on the fired cases. I've burned up thousands of 'em blasting away like that, and no special cleaning's needed.

myarmor · 08-18-2004, 04:19 PM

A good point as well that I didn't think about. It's true they probably will rust very quickly. Unless they were in a perfectly dry area.
But I guess I was making this to complicated when there is no reason to make it all complicated-it's a $50 rifle.
Not that I won't take care of them, I love all my firearms and clean them very well. But I shouldn't be afraid to hurt them. I mean, come on they were issued for how long?- from the 1800's to the eairly-mid 1970's.
No the russians were not stupid, this rifle helped them win 2 World Wars!
If that's not dependability and toughness then what is?

Ricochet · 08-19-2004, 03:30 PM

Myarmor, whereabouts in Southwest Virginia are you? I'm in Bristol, over on the Tennessee side.

Dennis · 09-15-2004, 01:29 AM

I have had laquer buildup problems with my ar15 but never with my sks ak or any east block weapon.
the stiff bolt in mosins are generally because the lugs need lapping and maybe a little to much striker spring.
tale a coil off the striker spring reassemble and see if it helps.
the cocking cam sometimes can use some attention and remember to GREASE the cocking cam that helps too
if you polish the mating surfaces then Polish the metal do not remove or reshape the mating surfaces.
this will help to.
Be careful and go slow eventually you will see a difference.

07-28-2004, 06:07 PM	#21
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 14,098 Images: 18 Blog Entries: 4	Myarmor...you wrote..."Not that this is a really big deal but might save me a stiff action." Is having a stiff action all that bad? __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

07-28-2004, 11:48 PM	#23
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 14,098 Images: 18 Blog Entries: 4	Myarmor...looks like we've got one more gun fan on our side. :right: Welcome, and your questions are always well worth posting. :nod: Someone here will usually have some suggestions which might touch on what you need...and more. Fact is, there's some really expert members (I'm definitely not included) here who could write the book on many guns. I'm learning more about guns on G&G myself than I ever dreamed possible...and I've been a member of this forum since the dark ages. :nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

09-15-2004, 01:29 AM	#33
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,929	I have had laquer buildup problems with my ar15 but never with my sks ak or any east block weapon. the stiff bolt in mosins are generally because the lugs need lapping and maybe a little to much striker spring. tale a coil off the striker spring reassemble and see if it helps. the cocking cam sometimes can use some attention and remember to GREASE the cocking cam that helps too if you polish the mating surfaces then Polish the metal do not remove or reshape the mating surfaces. this will help to. Be careful and go slow eventually you will see a difference. __________________ Submitted with respect to all

07-28-2004, 10:35 PM	#22
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,169	Well I am 23 and it is not a really big deal to me :nod: But to be serious I am eager to get my mosins and these bullets seem to be some of the best surplus ammo there is. I think I might buy only a small order to start with. I have heard some good things about it, so it is a possibility I might end up with some . I want to have fun with my Mosins. If they turn out to be a tack driver then more the better. If not who cares? I will still enjoy myself non the less with a powerful shooter that is affordable and fun to shoot. :gangster: I have several plans to start, but all in time and I will keep you informed on them as well. I am just now getting into the Nagant fever and I guess you guys can expect my to have a lot more questions. I do want to thank you all for what you have told me. I have learned mored in the 2 days being here than the whole year researching on my own.

08-04-2004, 02:21 PM	#25
Ricochet Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Posts: 166	Don't bother removing the lacquer from the cases. That's not the problem. If lacquered cases are sticking, it's because the rifle's chamber either has some roughness in it or has some old varnished, dried up cosmoline in it. A thorough cleaning and polishing of the chamber will fix it. Does anyone really think the Russians were stupid enough to issue ammunition that wouldn't work? The problem's with the cosmoline the rifles were stored in for 50 years or so.

08-04-2004, 02:23 PM	#26
Ricochet Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Posts: 166	One more thing: Shooting lacquered ammo does NOT cause lacquer to build up in chambers. That's been thoroughly disproven. You can run your own test with a fired case and cigarette lighter. The stuff chars and burns off without melting.

08-04-2004, 08:31 PM	#27
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,848	If it chars and burns off OUTSIDE the gun, what does it do when in the chamber? Ricochet, I'm not questioning you. I have never had a problem with lacquered ammo and I have shot until my shoulder was a massive bruise, my right arm didnt function and the retinas from my eyeballs were laying on the shooting bench! All my Mosins too, not just one. I tend to agree. Its the chamber but...to disprove it, wipe em down with a quick wipe of acetone. I love acetone. It does everything! Smells good too. Ok, the last part is just me.

08-06-2004, 03:43 PM	#28
Ricochet Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Posts: 166	It chars off and burns outside the gun when a direct flame is applied to it. Inside the chamber, it does nothing but stay on the case where it was applied. Doesn't come off on the chamber. Take the lacquer off, and your steel cases will quickly rust. Rust is harder than steel and WILL scratch your chamber. That's why the Russians lacquered their cases. They weren't (and aren't) stupid. Their equipment is made to work reliably under rugged field conditions. The lacquer does have a higher coefficient of friction with the varnish that forms from old cosmoline, though. On the milsurp boards, some recommend the use of carburetor cleaner to get it out of the chamber. The lacquer's also plastic and can be forced under pressure of firing into grooves or scratches in the chamber, forming a lock-and-key effect. Polish it out if that's the case.

08-06-2004, 04:04 PM	#29
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	man just go shoot yo gun. don't worry about the ammo stuff. anyone who shoots thier gun and cleans it after shouldn't have any problems with it. now me i may shoot my ak47 (about 300 rounds)and wiat till the rest of my guns are dirty enough then i clean it.

08-18-2004, 02:15 PM	#30
Ricochet Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Posts: 166	And even when you shoot a semiauto like an AK47, SKS or Mini-14 till the oil's smoking off the barrel, the lacquer doesn't build up in the chamber and it shows no sign of melting on the fired cases. I've burned up thousands of 'em blasting away like that, and no special cleaning's needed.

08-18-2004, 04:19 PM	#31
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,169	A good point as well that I didn't think about. It's true they probably will rust very quickly. Unless they were in a perfectly dry area. But I guess I was making this to complicated when there is no reason to make it all complicated-it's a $50 rifle. Not that I won't take care of them, I love all my firearms and clean them very well. But I shouldn't be afraid to hurt them. I mean, come on they were issued for how long?- from the 1800's to the eairly-mid 1970's. No the russians were not stupid, this rifle helped them win 2 World Wars! If that's not dependability and toughness then what is?

08-19-2004, 03:30 PM	#32
Ricochet Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Posts: 166	Myarmor, whereabouts in Southwest Virginia are you? I'm in Bristol, over on the Tennessee side.