Custom Mosin Nagants- What are the possibilites?

Dennis · 10-18-2004, 04:46 AM

Man o Man I want to get one of those triggers
Give me a little while longer and i will start loosing sleep............
I am a hopless Mosin Nagant Addict................................
When I get one ill let everyone know how it shoots.

BattleRifleG3 · 10-18-2004, 11:57 AM

Whatever you do, don't do this!

whirlwind · 10-18-2004, 12:25 PM

what the heck is that?!

Dennis · 10-18-2004, 07:33 PM

what purpose does that object on the muzzel serve?

PAPA G · 10-19-2004, 12:02 AM

is this one of BRG3's Frankengun creations???

and just what is that abomination on the muzzle???

G Hollingsworth · 10-19-2004, 09:20 AM

Just remember this is a OPINION.....If I WAS to build one I just would not have my heart into it. Each to his own.

myarmor · 10-19-2004, 11:01 AM

BattleRifleG3- Man, really what is this concoction? It looks like it used to be a Nagant...at one time...is that a possibile muzzle brake??
Never seen the likes of one like that. Hummm

BattleRifleG3 · 10-19-2004, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAPA G

is this one of BRG3's Frankengun creations???

and just what is that abomination on the muzzle???

How dare you suggest that I concocted this abomination. Notice how I said "DON'T" do this. That's from Gunbroker.

For pete's sake, I hate shortened stocks, and would never screw over a fine rifle like a Mosin. Unless it was the crappiest Mosin in the world, and a carbine, not a full length, I wouldn't do anything permanent to it. Most I'd ever do to my 91/30 is put a synth stock on while hunting in order to preserve the original wood one.

Despoiler · 10-20-2004, 02:44 AM

But BRG3 what is that thing?

Javert · 03-07-2005, 10:10 PM

At surplusrifle.com there's an article about "scouterizing" a mosin with some good pics. Not too expensive, either. :assult:

Clark · 03-21-2005, 11:45 PM

I have customized 91/30s:
Four with scope mounts I made.
One in 45/70 [Shilen]
one in 30-30[Mossberg].

I have customized Mausers:
25 drilled and tapped
25 bolt handles bent
one 257 Roberts Ackley improved [Lothar Walther]
one .308 [Addams and Bennet]
one .243 [Addams and Bennet]
one .308 [ Parker Hale]
one .45acp [Shilen]

I like Mausers for rimless and 91/30 for rimmed.

myarmor · 03-22-2005, 11:30 AM

Cool, that's what I am talking about. Please tell me more Clark. :cheer:

BattleRifleG3 · 03-22-2005, 01:52 PM

I'd love a 45-70 Mosin as long as it would feed. The only one I've seen is single shot, in which case I'd take an NEF instead. But if you've made a repeating 45-70 on the super smooth and fast Mosin action, I'd be majorly interested!

myarmor · 03-22-2005, 06:50 PM

No doubt. The only custom Nagant I have ever heard of was a 45/70, which I think would be killer. I wonder what other calibers could be used.

Dennis · 03-23-2005, 08:46 AM

I have heard that there has been custom barrels made in russia necking down the 54R case to the 5.7 mm? caliber the AK74 is in.
The Soviets have been able to make loading changes and bullet weight changes to enable hunters to do everything they wanted to do with out changeing the gun.
can you imagine that here?

there are 7.62x54r plinking rounds, light hunting rounds, HEAVY hunting rounds, military fmj rounds, snipeing rounds, AP, tracer, AP incendiary,
and that was all for the same gun.
no one would accept it
we just know a better way, and have the freedom to have a million choices.
thats good yet in the end, from a performance point of view the Mosin Nagant can do just about Everything any other .30 cal rifle can do.
and most things a smaller caliber rifle can do.
So,
from My point of view
there isnt much motivation to "Improve" the original 7.62x54r just load it differently for different jobs.

I know thats not as fun as doing the mad scientist thing. Dreaming up a spectacular new cartrige, (putting your name on it) haveing a gun chambered in that new cartrige going and shooting Your new cartrige, getting the sought after results.
thats a lot more fun to do.
Aint it great that we can!

myarmor · 03-23-2005, 11:02 AM

Good point Dennis. I heard that the Russians did/do wildcats on the 7.62, and I would love to see some of these rounds for the 7.62x54r that you were talking about. Especially some more of the light varmint type and HEAVY honk'n rounds. Got some more info for me with this?

Shaun · 03-23-2005, 03:28 PM

The magazine is the biggest limitation -- but I am looking at something in a heavy pistol cal carbine and many of the straight cased rounds -- so far we are looking at two different cal's using a .375 bullet

TULAver · 03-23-2005, 03:29 PM

I was reading this, wondering myself just WHY someone would want to modify a Mosin for a caliber other than x54R. I know there's the whole "just to see if you can" thing, but it seems to me all of the loads mentioned are less capable than the original caliber.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if you're gonna go to the trouble of radically modifying a firearm, wouldn't your time be better spent modifying it to outperform the original configuration?

NRAJOE · 03-23-2005, 05:01 PM

Some people have nothing better to do.....

PAPA G · 03-23-2005, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRAJOE

Some people have nothing better to do.....

and gots the dough-re-me too!!!

unless some one is really handy with tools, and just does it for funsies, thats one thing, however it'll still be an old mi/surp at heart.

10-18-2004, 04:46 AM	#21
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,878	Man o Man I want to get one of those triggers Give me a little while longer and i will start loosing sleep............ I am a hopless Mosin Nagant Addict................................ When I get one ill let everyone know how it shoots. __________________ Submitted with respect to all

10-18-2004, 11:57 AM	#22
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,432 Images: 13	Whatever you do, don't do this! __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-18-2004, 12:25 PM	#23
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,747 Images: 1	what the heck is that?! __________________ De oppresso liber !

10-18-2004, 07:33 PM	#24
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,878	what purpose does that object on the muzzel serve? __________________ Submitted with respect to all

03-07-2005, 10:10 PM	#30
Javert Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Boston, MO Posts: 67	At surplusrifle.com there's an article about "scouterizing" a mosin with some good pics. Not too expensive, either. :assult: __________________ The 2nd amendment was never intended to allow private citizens to 'keep and bear arms.' If it had, there would have been wording such as 'the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' --Ken Konecki What? --Yogi Berra Posted from the excitement and splendour of northeast rural Missouri.

10-19-2004, 12:02 AM	#25
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	is this one of BRG3's Frankengun creations??? and just what is that abomination on the muzzle???

10-19-2004, 09:20 AM	#26
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	Just remember this is a OPINION.....If I WAS to build one I just would not have my heart into it. Each to his own.

10-19-2004, 11:01 AM	#27
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	BattleRifleG3- Man, really what is this concoction? It looks like it used to be a Nagant...at one time...is that a possibile muzzle brake?? Never seen the likes of one like that. Hummm

10-20-2004, 02:44 AM	#29
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	But BRG3 what is that thing?

03-21-2005, 11:45 PM	#31
Clark Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 40	I have customized 91/30s: Four with scope mounts I made. One in 45/70 [Shilen] one in 30-30[Mossberg]. I have customized Mausers: 25 drilled and tapped 25 bolt handles bent one 257 Roberts Ackley improved [Lothar Walther] one .308 [Addams and Bennet] one .243 [Addams and Bennet] one .308 [ Parker Hale] one .45acp [Shilen] I like Mausers for rimless and 91/30 for rimmed.

03-22-2005, 11:30 AM	#32
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	Cool, that's what I am talking about. Please tell me more Clark. :cheer:

03-22-2005, 01:52 PM	#33
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,432 Images: 13	I'd love a 45-70 Mosin as long as it would feed. The only one I've seen is single shot, in which case I'd take an NEF instead. But if you've made a repeating 45-70 on the super smooth and fast Mosin action, I'd be majorly interested! __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-22-2005, 06:50 PM	#34
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	No doubt. The only custom Nagant I have ever heard of was a 45/70, which I think would be killer. I wonder what other calibers could be used.

03-23-2005, 08:46 AM	#35
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,878	I have heard that there has been custom barrels made in russia necking down the 54R case to the 5.7 mm? caliber the AK74 is in. The Soviets have been able to make loading changes and bullet weight changes to enable hunters to do everything they wanted to do with out changeing the gun. can you imagine that here? there are 7.62x54r plinking rounds, light hunting rounds, HEAVY hunting rounds, military fmj rounds, snipeing rounds, AP, tracer, AP incendiary, and that was all for the same gun. no one would accept it we just know a better way, and have the freedom to have a million choices. thats good yet in the end, from a performance point of view the Mosin Nagant can do just about Everything any other .30 cal rifle can do. and most things a smaller caliber rifle can do. So, from My point of view there isnt much motivation to "Improve" the original 7.62x54r just load it differently for different jobs. I know thats not as fun as doing the mad scientist thing. Dreaming up a spectacular new cartrige, (putting your name on it) haveing a gun chambered in that new cartrige going and shooting Your new cartrige, getting the sought after results. thats a lot more fun to do. Aint it great that we can! __________________ Submitted with respect to all

03-23-2005, 11:02 AM	#36
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	Good point Dennis. I heard that the Russians did/do wildcats on the 7.62, and I would love to see some of these rounds for the 7.62x54r that you were talking about. Especially some more of the light varmint type and HEAVY honk'n rounds. Got some more info for me with this?

03-23-2005, 03:28 PM	#37
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,599 Images: 1	The magazine is the biggest limitation -- but I am looking at something in a heavy pistol cal carbine and many of the straight cased rounds -- so far we are looking at two different cal's using a .375 bullet __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

03-23-2005, 03:29 PM	#38
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	I was reading this, wondering myself just WHY someone would want to modify a Mosin for a caliber other than x54R. I know there's the whole "just to see if you can" thing, but it seems to me all of the loads mentioned are less capable than the original caliber. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if you're gonna go to the trouble of radically modifying a firearm, wouldn't your time be better spent modifying it to outperform the original configuration? __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

03-23-2005, 05:01 PM	#39
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,209 Images: 3	Some people have nothing better to do..... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany