Czech Silver Tip - Page 2

Dennis · 04-15-2005, 03:45 PM

The color codes are not reliable
each country had their own colorcodes for projectiles then those codes changed over time.
That means ya cant depend on it to reliably mean anything.
silver tip means light ball round
Most All 7.62x54r ammunition that is milsurp has a mild steel core.
its not so much to improve performance as to be a economic money saveing manufacturing practice.

lead is expensive. it costs more than steel, so you save 65 grains of lead by installing 65 grains of steel wire instead
65 grains X 1,000,000+ rounds produced a year is a LOT of lead.
The fact that it improves the penatrating performance is just an extra perk
true AP rounds have toungsten penatrators
It makes it possible to shoot through the web "thin part" of railroad tracks.
it makes such a perfect hole, almost like it was drilled,.....uh... so I heard.....

Gewehr_3 · 04-22-2005, 05:28 PM

I have shot both the hungarian and czech stuff through my m91 and the bolt has never stuck. the hungarian stuff had quite a few misfires and was pretty clean and the czech stuff had no misfires but was really dirty. I thought the czech was a bit more accurate

troy2000 · 04-25-2005, 08:17 AM

I've shot quite a bit of the silvertip in the last few months, and had no trouble with it after I polished my chamber to stop it sticking. But it's so dirty that shooting two or three boxes thru it in an afternoon leaves a crusted ring around the muzzle.

sum1_special · 04-25-2005, 09:03 AM

you can say that again, it only takes 1 bullet to turn your bore patches black. ammo is not only filthy, it will also stick in the chamber if you haven't cleaned the cosmoline out. though considering its cheap, accurate, and reliable is enough for me. i personaly would not prefer to shoot anything else.

shipping from aim is 22 bucks for silver tips.:right:

get a case and knock yourself out(pun intended

).

hounddawg · 04-25-2005, 02:41 PM

I have been shooting the silvertips for a while now in my 91/30. On saturday I shot some S&B and even though the S&B costs me a little over $ 8.50/box (compared to $ 3.00 for the Silvertips) I do not intend to shoot the sivertips anymore. They are not rearly as consistant as the S&B and they are filthy. If I take care of my rifle, she will take care of me.

FutureMarine · 04-25-2005, 05:00 PM

What about the Winchester 7.62x54R? Is this any good? It seems quite expensive, but I would be willing to pay it if it is worth it.

gunssb · 04-25-2005, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FutureMarine

What about the Winchester 7.62x54R? Is this any good? It seems quite expensive, but I would be willing to pay it if it is worth it.

under $11 a box from midway. Good ammo.

hounddawg · 04-25-2005, 10:02 PM

Heard some bad things about Winchester's brass. Never shot any. See no reason to at $11/box. Besides, the S&B shoots very nicely.

FutureMarine · 04-28-2005, 12:15 PM

What kind of bad things did you hear about Winchester brass, out of curiosity. Bolt stick? Dirty? Misfire?

gunssb · 04-28-2005, 12:20 PM

I've heard that Winchester brass doesn't stand up to repeated reloads like Starline, but I don't shoot 7.62x54 much, so should be fine.

toolman · 04-28-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FutureMarine

What about the Winchester 7.62x54R? Is this any good? It seems quite expensive, but I would be willing to pay it if it is worth it.

FM, FWIW, Win. and S&B are essentially the same ammo . If you compare them side-by-side you will find that they are near identical and even come in the same box with different labeling. This is because Win. contracts with S&B to produce it for them. The only difference is the labeling and the brass is stamped Win. but they both come from the same factory.

sum1_special · 04-30-2005, 04:31 AM

future marine, if this is you first ammo purchase for the gun then you should go for surplus. unless your made of money, to lazy to clean after shooting, reload, or shoot competitively, there's no reason you should not go for the silver tips as your first purchase. 780 rounds of ammo for 50 bucks is absolutely the best way to familiarize with the rifle. the steel cases might stick in the chamber but a good polish in there with solvent and a clothed wrapped around a power drill will fix the sticky bolt problem. there is no way a steel case will damage the rifle more than a brass case. so dont listen to those who try and tell you to only shoot commercial or brass ammunition in your gun. the surplus stuff from aim is a bargain and its is worth every single penny you paid for it. trust me, i ordered 3 cases from them already.

The gun is military surplus, so why not shoot the ammo it was intended to shoot? i always say, if its good enough for the military than its good enough for me. :right:

FutureMarine · 04-30-2005, 11:34 AM

It isnt i have ordered lots of ammo before. Mostly Wolf.

FutureMarine · 04-30-2005, 11:50 AM

I decieded to go with Winchester because at 9-11 bucks for a 20 rd box, your getting what you paid for. 9-11 bucks does not make someone made of money. And i am perfectly okay with the fact that we are not made of money

hounddawg · 04-30-2005, 11:50 AM

Wolf is good stuff.

FutureMarine · 04-30-2005, 11:51 AM

Are you talking about the ammo that is 18.95 for a box of 20 or 8 bucks for 20?

hounddawg · 04-30-2005, 11:55 AM

I wouldn't pay almost $20 for 7.62 Russkie. I mean the $8 stuff. Treat it as corrosive, though.

sum1_special · 04-30-2005, 11:55 AM

If I recall correctly, sellior & belliot is the same as winchester. i think winchester is more expensive, though. go with what ever you feel would we the best investment.

dont know about you, but 50 cents a round is to rich for my blood.

FutureMarine · 04-30-2005, 12:02 PM

But the reason is when i shoot, i mostly bring about 40 rounds for the M/N because i like to shoot a lot of my other guns. If i shoot like 80 or 90 a day o would go with bulk and probably silver tips.

Big Dog · 04-30-2005, 01:43 PM

I got around to trying the Czech Silvertip in my Finn M39 today. It functioned perfectly, none of the chamber sticking that I had in my M44 earlier! Extration, ejection, all went well. Now, if my rifle didn't have the sewer-pipe bore, it might have been accurate too . . .

Well, no enemy would be safe within a hundred yards anyway. Hehehe.

04-15-2005, 03:45 PM	#21
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,876 Trader Rating: (0)	The color codes are not reliable each country had their own colorcodes for projectiles then those codes changed over time. That means ya cant depend on it to reliably mean anything. silver tip means light ball round Most All 7.62x54r ammunition that is milsurp has a mild steel core. its not so much to improve performance as to be a economic money saveing manufacturing practice. lead is expensive. it costs more than steel, so you save 65 grains of lead by installing 65 grains of steel wire instead 65 grains X 1,000,000+ rounds produced a year is a LOT of lead. The fact that it improves the penatrating performance is just an extra perk true AP rounds have toungsten penatrators It makes it possible to shoot through the web "thin part" of railroad tracks. it makes such a perfect hole, almost like it was drilled,.....uh... so I heard..... __________________ Submitted with respect to all

04-22-2005, 05:28 PM	#22
Gewehr_3 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The centre of hickville Iowa Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	I have shot both the hungarian and czech stuff through my m91 and the bolt has never stuck. the hungarian stuff had quite a few misfires and was pretty clean and the czech stuff had no misfires but was really dirty. I thought the czech was a bit more accurate __________________ ... What county can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. -Thomas Jefferson 1787

04-25-2005, 02:41 PM	#25
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535 Trader Rating: (0)	I have been shooting the silvertips for a while now in my 91/30. On saturday I shot some S&B and even though the S&B costs me a little over $ 8.50/box (compared to $ 3.00 for the Silvertips) I do not intend to shoot the sivertips anymore. They are not rearly as consistant as the S&B and they are filthy. If I take care of my rifle, she will take care of me. __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato

04-25-2005, 10:02 PM	#28
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535 Trader Rating: (0)	Heard some bad things about Winchester's brass. Never shot any. See no reason to at $11/box. Besides, the S&B shoots very nicely. __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato Last edited by hounddawg; 04-25-2005 at 10:06 PM.

04-30-2005, 11:50 AM	#35
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535 Trader Rating: (0)	Wolf is good stuff. __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato

04-25-2005, 08:17 AM	#23
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,132 Trader Rating: (0)	I've shot quite a bit of the silvertip in the last few months, and had no trouble with it after I polished my chamber to stop it sticking. But it's so dirty that shooting two or three boxes thru it in an afternoon leaves a crusted ring around the muzzle.

04-25-2005, 09:03 AM	#24
sum1_special Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 165 Trader Rating: (0)	you can say that again, it only takes 1 bullet to turn your bore patches black. ammo is not only filthy, it will also stick in the chamber if you haven't cleaned the cosmoline out. though considering its cheap, accurate, and reliable is enough for me. i personaly would not prefer to shoot anything else. shipping from aim is 22 bucks for silver tips.:right: get a case and knock yourself out(pun intended ).

04-25-2005, 05:00 PM	#26
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946 Trader Rating: (0)	What about the Winchester 7.62x54R? Is this any good? It seems quite expensive, but I would be willing to pay it if it is worth it.

04-28-2005, 12:15 PM	#29
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946 Trader Rating: (0)	What kind of bad things did you hear about Winchester brass, out of curiosity. Bolt stick? Dirty? Misfire?

04-28-2005, 12:20 PM	#30
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833 Trader Rating: (0)	I've heard that Winchester brass doesn't stand up to repeated reloads like Starline, but I don't shoot 7.62x54 much, so should be fine.

04-30-2005, 04:31 AM	#32
sum1_special Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 165 Trader Rating: (0)	future marine, if this is you first ammo purchase for the gun then you should go for surplus. unless your made of money, to lazy to clean after shooting, reload, or shoot competitively, there's no reason you should not go for the silver tips as your first purchase. 780 rounds of ammo for 50 bucks is absolutely the best way to familiarize with the rifle. the steel cases might stick in the chamber but a good polish in there with solvent and a clothed wrapped around a power drill will fix the sticky bolt problem. there is no way a steel case will damage the rifle more than a brass case. so dont listen to those who try and tell you to only shoot commercial or brass ammunition in your gun. the surplus stuff from aim is a bargain and its is worth every single penny you paid for it. trust me, i ordered 3 cases from them already. The gun is military surplus, so why not shoot the ammo it was intended to shoot? i always say, if its good enough for the military than its good enough for me. :right:

04-30-2005, 11:34 AM	#33
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946 Trader Rating: (0)	It isnt i have ordered lots of ammo before. Mostly Wolf.

04-30-2005, 11:51 AM	#36
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946 Trader Rating: (0)	Are you talking about the ammo that is 18.95 for a box of 20 or 8 bucks for 20?

04-30-2005, 11:55 AM	#37
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535 Trader Rating: (0)	I wouldn't pay almost $20 for 7.62 Russkie. I mean the $8 stuff. Treat it as corrosive, though. __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato

04-30-2005, 12:02 PM	#39
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946 Trader Rating: (0)	But the reason is when i shoot, i mostly bring about 40 rounds for the M/N because i like to shoot a lot of my other guns. If i shoot like 80 or 90 a day o would go with bulk and probably silver tips.

04-30-2005, 01:43 PM	#40
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,071 Trader Rating: (0)	I got around to trying the Czech Silvertip in my Finn M39 today. It functioned perfectly, none of the chamber sticking that I had in my M44 earlier! Extration, ejection, all went well. Now, if my rifle didn't have the sewer-pipe bore, it might have been accurate too . . . Well, no enemy would be safe within a hundred yards anyway. Hehehe. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.