Mosin Nagant 91/30 ATI stock

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by Geo M44

Anybody in the group handy at making hardwood rifle stocks?

*looks over at BRG3*

[toolman]

Originally Posted by Geo M44

Ya know with all of the MN's out there it would be nice to have the option of a modified wood stock.

Like these? www.rifle-stocks.com

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by toolman

Like these? Richards Microfit Gunstocks

Schu-Weeet!!! But 8 weeks to wait?! Plus, the price is Very reasonable, but the ATI stock is half their price.

If I had the available cash, I would so start an order for one of those gorgeous thumbhole-with-finger-grooves stocks. Sooo pretty!

[Scot Van]

Originally Posted by ruger22com

Sorry, I have not held or handled your AK or SKS rifle stocks....but if they are anything like your dragunov stocks, well...here is a picture...please tell me this does not look like dime store junk: (and it feels worse)


This photo is from a story comparing the ATI to the Choate 10/22 Dragunov stock at our ruger22.com website...here is the story....sorry, but our site does not kiss up to manufacturers..and when we see a dog, we call it a dog.

If you have updated your Dragunov, let us know. and we will BUY another to test.

The Ruger22 Factory Model Ruger 10/22 Page

YOU HAVE AN OLD COMPOSITE STOCK!!! Our stocks aren't even made of the same material anymore. You'll be glad to know it is a much beefier material that is much nicer to the touch. Let us set you up with the upgrade!!! I put the new stock on my marlin and love it. My one obervation is that it isn't exactly for a big guy like me...my hand is bigger than the grip affords (I hope our engineers will change that soon).

[at4rxj]

I had an ATI stock on my AK, and it was horrible. It came as a set with the handguards, and they were all loose and wouldn't tighten down. The stock never would fit exactly right... I ended up changing it for a Tapco folding one.

That being said, when I did break the first one, they replaced it no questions asked...

I have stock on my M44 that I believe is an ATI synthetic, and it's great. It took some fitting, but I like it.

I also believe that my shotgun collapsing stock is ATI (mossberg 500). That one is excellent.

[BattleRifleG3]

I could do a Mosin stock, but my prices wouldn't be any better than Richard's, and it would be solid hardwood, not laminate.

The good side is that it could be the hardwood of your choice and could be done however you want at a given price. Options could cost more, but not a ton.

[at4rxj]

Would you offer the bedding and fitting as well?

[BattleRifleG3]

It would be fitted to my Mosin, but bedding would be up to you and your smith. I can't take another person's gun for work without an FFL. If Richard's can do that, and that's what you want, then he's the way to go.

[Scot Van]

Originally Posted by at4rxj

I had an ATI stock on my AK, and it was horrible. It came as a set with the handguards, and they were all loose and wouldn't tighten down. The stock never would fit exactly right... I ended up changing it for a Tapco folding one.

That being said, when I did break the first one, they replaced it no questions asked...

I have stock on my M44 that I believe is an ATI synthetic, and it's great. It took some fitting, but I like it.

I also believe that my shotgun collapsing stock is ATI (mossberg 500). That one is excellent.

Good to hear that you like the six-position collapsible for the Mossberg. Also thrilled that you like the Mosin Nagant.

I'm very sorry to hear that you had bad luck with our AK, though. Perhaps you had an older version that was made from our original materials. We now make our stocks from a short-fibre glass-filled nylon (it is as non-brittle a blend available). Maybe you'd be interested to give us another chance to win you over when our new stock for the AK comes out in July. It will be the collapsible AR15-style stock AND it will fold to the left of the receiver. This will be available for the Mini14, too.

I'm glad you got the customer service you expected, and I want to remind anyone in the forum that we are here to answer questions about our products, NOT sell you stuff. Please let me know if anyone needs help, has questions, or simply wants to tell us where we succeed / fail with our products. Without your feedback, we can't improve, and your criticisms are taken as constructive suggestions toward better business!

Thanks, all. Stay safe, shoot straight.

Scot Van Heuvelen
ATI - L.E. / Military Regional Sales Mgr.
Perroni Tactical Training Academy Adjunct Instructor

(866)472-8590 is my desk number w/ voice mail.

[Geo M44]

Originally Posted by toolman

Like these? Richards Microfit Gunstocks

Thanks Toolman. Be-u-ti-ful stocks! The prices are pretty decent as well.

I just ordered one of their walnut factory seconds ($50) in modern classic style with 1" pachmayr pad (yes, I am a whimp) for one of my M44's. It can take up to 8 weeks, but I'm in no big hurry, and it will be worth it for walnut vs. plastic.

I'll post a pic when it's done. Thanks again for the lead.

Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

It would be fitted to my Mosin, but bedding would be up to you and your smith. I can't take another person's gun for work without an FFL. If Richard's can do that, and that's what you want, then he's the way to go.

According to the website Richards will direct you to a smith, but will not do final fitting (for MN's the fit is 96% at the factory). So apparently they don't want to get into FFL's and the gunsmithing biz either.

Part of the learning process is fitting and finishing. Shouldn't be too difficult on an MN... or am I missing something here. For me there is more to guns, as a hobby, than shooting. The great thing about MN's is that they don't cost a fortune, and you can have some fun without changing the basic rifle.

[Scot Van]

Originally Posted by Geo M44

Ya know with all of the MN's out there it would be nice to have the option of a modified wood stock (like the one young Vasily Z. is using to shoot the wolf). Could probably have em made in you-know-where pretty cheap.

Anybody in the group handy at making hardwood rifle stocks?

Which brings me to a couple of ATI questions?

Why do the the ATI stocks take so much extra fitting work? There can't be that much varriation in the rifle component sizes. I would expect a plug-n-play product.

And second: Why is the camo stock so much more expensive than the plain one?

You'd actually be surprised at the variance we've found in the mass produced rifles. It seems that the further east one goes, the larger the vairance. Our goal is to make every one fit, so if we leave extra material that can be gently removed w/ fine sandpaper or a dremel, we prefer that. You can always remove, never add. If you EVER have trouble installing, call us and we'll talk you through the tougher bits.

Good question on the camo. The Mossy Oak break up we've contracted to use is a)more expensive to produce and b.)done out of house by a Mossy Oak licensed company that we've been dealing with for some time. It is pricey enough to add almost a third onto the production costs.

[Geo M44]

Originally Posted by Scot Van

You'd actually be surprised at the variance we've found in the mass produced rifles. It seems that the further east one goes, the larger the vairance. Our goal is to make every one fit, so if we leave extra material that can be gently removed w/ fine sandpaper or a dremel, we prefer that. You can always remove, never add. If you EVER have trouble installing, call us and we'll talk you through the tougher bits.

Good question on the camo. The Mossy Oak break up we've contracted to use is a)more expensive to produce and b.)done out of house by a Mossy Oak licensed company that we've been dealing with for some time. It is pricey enough to add almost a third onto the production costs.

Thanks Scot Van. I prefer wood stocks but like the camo synthetics, so maybe next time.

[at4rxj]

Originally Posted by Scot Van

Maybe you'd be interested to give us another chance to win you over when our new stock for the AK comes out in July. It will be the collapsible AR15-style stock AND it will fold to the left of the receiver.

send me one of those to evaluate and I'll write you a review

[buckbob]

I bought one, and got it today. I fit it into the new stock but noticed that the front of the barrel doesn't fit snug onto the stock, and it can kind of separate from the stock and rise a little.

ninwmc, how did you fasten yours down? The old wooden stock had those rings to hold down the barrel while this new one just has those two screws and they ain't holdin down the front.

[at4rxj]

You should actually have the handguard part "floating" just shy of the barrel. This will help to improve accuracy.

[buckbob]

Originally Posted by at4rxj

You should actually have the handguard part "floating" just shy of the barrel. This will help to improve accuracy.

Are you addressing me? If so, what do you mean by floating? I definitely do not think the barrel should be able to lift up from the stock.

[kortik]

To Scot from ATI

"You'd actually be surprised at the variance we've found in the mass produced rifles. It seems that the further east one goes, the larger the vairance. Our goal is to make every one fit, so if we leave extra material that can be gently removed w/ fine sandpaper or a dremel, we prefer that. You can always remove, never add. If you EVER have trouble installing, call us and we'll talk you through the tougher bits. "

That's not exactly a correct statement.
You can pull barreled action from one MN original wooden stock and install it into the other (same type of MN, of course) w/o any fitting. Difference is that wooden stock is "machined", while ATI stock is molded. While ATI does use pretty good material similar to Zytel from Dupont, and I know that this type of material has decent mechanical properties and suitable for gun stocks, it is well known that molding precision is a tricky business, and stock is no easy part to mold "straight" - it's quite big, polymer needs to cool down evenly, etc..etc. So, you should just say the truth, it's not going to hurt you or ATI, because molding such a large part with high precision is a challenge for anybody, not just your company.

Are you going to the Shot Show 2008?

[Scot Van]

I regret to inform you that Scot no longer works with Advanced Technology Inc. We wish Scot well!

Yes we will be at Shot Show in Booth #151 please stop by and see us.