[Zephri]

Love how you guys try to analyze why I would want to do this.

Why you ask? because It's a small piece of history that nobody knows about, and that is impossible to obtain unless you make one. And because I can, coolness has nothing to do with this if I wanted to be "cool" I'd buy and over tacticrap an ak or ar of some sort.

[just_a_car]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

The question I have to ask is, "Why?" Why would you bother to make an Obrez or a reasonable facsimile thereof today? I mean, it's not even a semi-auto, for heaven's sake! You are after a concealable firearm. You'd be better off with any pistol .30 caliber or better in the pocket pistol class, or a sawed-off shotgun, than you would be with a bolt-action "pistol." Those had to be desperation assassin type weapons.

One word that drives many Mosineers: HISTORY.

[SwedeSteve]

BRG- If someone is approved to build a SBR and builds one, is he the only one able to possess it, i.e., if zeph built one legally, could he rent it to me to fire, not to own ??

Mike- How does cutting off the trigger guard help ??

zeph- If you look back to my original post, I didn't ask why. I just said why they were made in the first place !! If you build one, I wanna shoot it !!

[Zephri]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

BRG- If someone is approved to build a SBR and builds one, is he the only one able to possess it, i.e., if zeph built one legally, could he rent it to me to fire, not to own ?? Mike- How does cutting off the trigger guard help ?? zeph- If you look back to my original post, I didn't ask why. I just said why they were made in the first place !! If you build one, I wanna shoot it !!

That wasn't directed at you it was directed at the two posts before just a cars and mine.

[SwedeSteve]

If I built one I would leave a little more wood on, and utilize the front barrel band. It looks like it is missing in the pic.

Mike- I got that. I am asking how does it help to remove it ?? Just wanna know.

[Espresso]

I wanted to revive this thread. It's further proof of how badassedly resourceful the Russians (pre-,contemporary, and post-communism) are. Think about it. It's a great concealable weapon, and it packs more of a punch than anything else similarly sized (except maybe a sawed-off 12ga but i doubt you could still have a pump on it).

If you tried to make an AR-15 Obrez, you would saw through all those hundreds of delicate little dinky parts in it, rendering it inoperable.

An AK-47 Obrez would be cool, having the 30-round capability, except that you would saw off the gas piston and probably have to re-cock manually after every shot.

Even an SKS could not work this way.

Only the Mosin-Nagant can still retain such function after being so horribly mutilated. This is one instance where Bubba done good!

Just make sure your target is stationary and less than 6 inches away...

[TheJoker]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Espresso

"A round No. 2 pencil is approximately .30 caliber - just in case..." ~TheWanderingMind

Just in case of what??? An out break of vampires???

[Cyrano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Mike- How does cutting off the trigger guard help?

Yeah, Mike: How does removing the rear of the trigger guard help? I've been trying to make sense of that statement you made about sawed-off shotguns, which presumably would apply to the Obrez as well.

I mean, the hand on the pistol grip is in the same plane and attached to the object applying the force. If I recall Newton's Laws of Motion correctly, the force would act equally on the hand as well as the shotgun. The recoil should drive them both to the rear at the same speed, relative motion should be zero. Only if the sawed-off shotgun is moving at a greater speed than the hand could it impact the hand holding it. And if this happened regularly, why are things like the so-called "cruiser" Mossberg 500s so popular with police officers? The configuration is essentially the same, a pistol grip and a short barrel; though maybe not as short as a sawed-off shotgun.

Or are you saying that the recoil is so powerful it knocks the trigger hand loose and the trigger guard then smashes into the hand? That's the only thing that makes sense to me; and yet I keep coming back to that cruiser shotgun. What am I missing here?

[Espresso]

Sawing off the buttstock and part of the barrel makes sense. Less mass, takes up less space so it can be concealed better, and works better in tighter close combat.

But sawing off the trigger guard? Maybe saves you an ounce in weight? And is just stupid.

[bigmike134]

Like this?

[just_a_car]

For those of you without knowledge in physics, here's why he suggested cutting off the trigger guard: It can break your finger.

Cyrano is only partially correct in his assessment. Yes, a force in one direction will produce an equal force in the opposite direction. BUT, if the thing that's opposing that backwards force (i.e. your hand in this case) is not also in-line with the direction of that force, it now becomes a fulcrum and the force rotates around the fulcrum, just like if a person on roller skates put their arm out and grabbed a light pole; they were going in one direction but the light pole opposed that force out-of-line with the force and they went spinning around it.

So, with that little non-calculus-based physics lesson over, you should be able to see that since the web of your hand is below the line that comes straight out the back of the barrel, it's going to act like a fulcrum and the force is going to spin around it. This is why a pistol kicks back and upward when you fire it. This is also why you should try to get your hand as high on the grip as possible to keep the most control over the pistol as you can.

Since the pistol will be spinning around the fulcrum of your hand in a back and upwards direction, that means the trigger guard will be following the same direction and there will be this nice bit of flesh and bone in it's way; what will soon be called "the thing formerly known as your healthy finger."

Hopefully that clears things up a bit.

[Espresso]

ouch...so the old 17th century pistols where you had to practically hold them horizontally are actually BETTER from a recoil point of view? i noticed a lot of the obrez's had nearly horizontal grips...maybe that keeps you from ripping your hand off?

[7.62x54r]

hey the bolt handle is missin on that obrez picture

[mzmadmike]

Man, I'm going to zombie this, too.

The reason to make one is because it is cool. What other reason do you need?