91/30 sniper rifle question

[spipderdoc99]

I have a question for the Nagant experts out there. I have decided to start a collection of old sniper weapons and was going to start with the Nagant 91/30. Can anyone give me some advice on what to look for to make sure that I am getting a real 91/30 sniper rifle. I have heard to look at the bolt and look for holes from the scope mount.

Thanks,
Spiderdoc99

[just_a_car]

The problem with finding a "real" one is that there are so many parts rifles out there for around $350. They take an ex-sniper (like mine) or regular 91/30 and install all the necessary parts to make it a proper sniper rifle.

The biggest thing to check for is if the numbers on all the parts match. The serial number on the gun should be the same on the magazine floorplate, just beneath the bolt handle, the bayonet, and (I believe) on sniper rifles, on the scope and/or scope mount.

Those last two, if they were stamped with the number will be your big clue. You could also use the number on the bolt handle, but The Boltman is able to remove an old straight bolt and weld up a new sniper bent-bolt to your old bolt with the correct serial number.

So, there you go... not expert advice, but it's something to go by. If you're just looking for a reproduction sniper rifle, go ahead and pick up one for around $350 (going price) as they use all the right parts and look correct, they just likely don't have numbers matching and might have some reproduction, non-original, parts. I believe the "real" sniper 91/30's go for around $600+.

[JoeLee]

This link may be of some help?
How To Spot A Fake PU Sniper

[bravo30]

Originally Posted by spipderdoc99

I have a question for the Nagant experts out there. I have decided to start a collection of old sniper weapons and was going to start with the Nagant 91/30. Can anyone give me some advice on what to look for to make sure that I am getting a real 91/30 sniper rifle. I have heard to look at the bolt and look for holes from the scope mount.

Thanks,
Spiderdoc99

anything before 1942 is a fake sniper .. other then that look for sniper proof mark ( contric 00's) on the barell shank , make sure all the numbers match as well ... for more info look up ''pu sniper'' lol thats all i did and now i know everything to know , mostly

[Enfield trader]

All numbers matching does not make it a "real sniper". As I understand snipers did not carry their bayonets, why would they need one ?
Scope mounts were only stamp on Tulas rifles. Most of the "real" PU snipers imported in the last 10 years or so have electropenciled markings on the scope mounts.
Izhevsk rifles had the scope number stamped on the left side barrel shank. Sometimes the number will not be there ( removed ) due to being an ex-sniper rifle. Some will have ***** out numbers and some will have struck through numbers and these are also ex-snipers.
Where are these parts guns for $350.00 ????
Tulas have a CH marking above the star and no scope numbers on the left side barrel shank.
Then there is the whole issue on correct scope numbers, original mounts and bases and so on.
1942 Ex-PU sniper

1943 original PU sniper

1944 Tula ex-PU

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by bravo30

anything before 1942 is a fake sniper .. other then that look for sniper proof mark ( contric 00's) on the barell shank , make sure all the numbers match as well ... for more info look up ''pu sniper'' lol thats all i did and now i know everything to know , mostly

Funny you should mention all that. My Big 5 Sporting Goods-bought ex-sniper has the concentric rings on the right side of the chamber area, is a 1943 Izhevsk and has all matching numbers, but had the numbers on the left side crossed through, probably a rearsenal, but the new stamped numbers match with everything else. I have pictures of it here: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...in-cherry.html (Popped my Mosin Cherry)

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by bravo30

anything before 1942 is a fake sniper .. other then that look for sniper proof mark ( contric 00's) on the barell shank , make sure all the numbers match as well ... for more info look up ''pu sniper'' lol thats all i did and now i know everything to know , mostly

The Russians were using scoped 91/30's for sniper rifles well before WWII even began.

[Enfield trader]

I think he meant PU snipers as these were not made until 1942. Before that there were PE top mounts and PEM side mount snipers.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Enfield trader

I think he meant PU snipers as these were not made until 1942. Before that there were PE top mounts and PEM side mount snipers.

That must have been what he meant, ET. As you probably already know though, there were PE-equipped 91/30 sniper rifles as far back as 1931, and Dragoon snipers before that.

91/30 Sniper Page

[bravo30]

Originally Posted by troy2000

The Russians were using scoped 91/30's for sniper rifles well before WWII even began.

yeah pu snipers ... sorry for confusion

Originally Posted by just_a_car

Funny you should mention all that. My Big 5 Sporting Goods-bought ex-sniper has the concentric rings on the right side of the chamber area, is a 1943 Izhevsk and has all matching numbers, but had the numbers on the left side crossed through, probably a rearsenal, but the new stamped numbers match with everything else. I have pictures of it here: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...in-cherry.html (Popped my Mosin Cherry)

well its an acuracy proof so im guessin your gun is accurate lol .... ill have to look that up , heres a tip ..............spend hours looking up all you can thats what i did and im still clueless hahah.. im gettin there though ,, interesting rifle