Help me identify this ammo.

gandog56 · 11-30-2007, 09:13 PM

I got a crate of what I believe is Czech ammo for my Mosin. It is in a sealed tin inside a wood crate. The markings on the crate are as follows. Can anybody tell me the bullet weight?:

780 28/63 bxn
7.62-59 1bpl/FE
24 kg
Netp 1.2 x 0.4/1.2 KF nma

Also, at the sound of being totally stupid, how the heck do you open the tin?

Mooseman684 · 11-30-2007, 09:18 PM

I dont know unless it is yellow striped Heavy Ball, there would be yellow stripes on the Can...It is probably 147 Gr.
Is there a Can Opener in the crate anywhere ?
Usually strapped under the lid...
Rich

gandog56 · 12-01-2007, 06:51 AM

No can opener.

bigbuddy21 · 12-01-2007, 01:55 PM

take a pair of plyers to it. thats what i had to do to the last can i bought.

Zephri · 12-01-2007, 02:32 PM

Use a large flat head scerwdriver and a hammer, go along the inner edge of the can, and open it just enough to get the packs out.

Paper · 12-01-2007, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandog56

I got a crate of what I believe is Czech ammo for my Mosin. It is in a sealed tin inside a wood crate. The markings on the crate are as follows. Can anybody tell me the bullet weight?:
780 28/63 bxn
7.62-59 1bpl/FE
24 kg
Netp 1.2 x 0.4/1.2 KF nma
Also, at the sound of being totally stupid, how the heck do you open the tin?

Bring it up to me and we'll open it and make sure that it shoots ok..

gandog56 · 12-01-2007, 10:10 PM

Got 780 rounds for $100 delivered, Didn't sound too bad. But there has to be some way to identify it. I don't want to have to pull a bullet to weigh the durned thing.

Paper · 12-01-2007, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandog56

Got 780 rounds for $100 delivered, Didn't sound too bad. But there has to be some way to identify it. I don't want to have to pull a bullet to weigh the durned thing.

From where??

just_a_car · 12-01-2007, 10:39 PM

Here's what you're looking for: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...mmunition.html (Military Surplus Ammunition)

troy2000 · 12-02-2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandog56

Also, at the sound of being totally stupid, how the heck do you open the tin?

If that's a stupid question I'm stupid, because that's what I asked myself when I brought home my first crate of Albanian with two spam cans in it. I used a hammer and chisel on the first one, then got smart. On the second, I used a Makita 4" disc grinder to grind off the top of the lip all the way around, then just lifted the lid off.

Sometime after that, I realized I wasn't so smart after all. When I originally pried the lid off the crate, I set it on a shelf out of the way, nails down so no one would poke themselves. A couple of months later, I knocked the lid onto the floor. It landed upside down, and waddaya know: there was a big*** can opener attached to the bottom side of it! Derrrrr.....

gandog56 · 12-02-2007, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper

From where??

My gunsmith. He even brought it to my house. All I had to do was write the check for the Czech.

I think he has more, but this should last me a while, as I just reloaded 120 with boxer primers.

fullMetalJack · 12-02-2007, 05:16 PM

hey bud, its zchek military ammoif i spelled that right . although i don't know the weight of the ammo, personally i have used it before and it fires pretty good. these cases of ammo can sit in armory's for years but they are very well preserved and fire pretty good. to open them they usually have this handle can opener deal that ships with them. ive only recieved one once. use a can opener no joke. not the plug kind the old school can openers

gandog56 · 12-02-2007, 07:10 PM

Was no can opener in the crate. Did the hammer and flat blade screwdriver thing.

Zephri · 12-03-2007, 12:00 AM

how'd it work?

gandog56 · 12-04-2007, 09:45 AM

Got her open.

ninwnc · 12-05-2007, 08:55 AM

This might help you ID ammo in the future.

International Ammunition Association

Nick

just_a_car · 12-05-2007, 10:52 AM

Better yet, just go here: 7.62x54r Ammunition Evaluations

toolman · 12-05-2007, 01:10 PM

I believe most of the Czech ammo is 148 gr. unless it has a yellow tip which is heavy ball and is, I believe 182 gr. A lot of the heavy ball was built for machine-gun use and subsequently has higher pressures and recoil so make sure your gun is up to the task of firing it.

ouch · 12-06-2007, 10:30 PM

Thankfully Troy you lived to write about your opening experience. You could have taken a torch and just melted the solder.

The Hungarian comes with a can opener. Guess we are on our own with Bulgarian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy2000

If that's a stupid question I'm stupid, because that's what I asked myself when I brought home my first crate of Albanian with two spam cans in it. I used a hammer and chisel on the first one, then got smart. On the second, I used a Makita 4" disc grinder to grind off the top of the lip all the way around, then just lifted the lid off.

Sometime after that, I realized I wasn't so smart after all. When I originally pried the lid off the crate, I set it on a shelf out of the way, nails down so no one would poke themselves. A couple of months later, I knocked the lid onto the floor. It landed upside down, and waddaya know: there was a big*** can opener attached to the bottom side of it! Derrrrr.....

gandog56 · 12-08-2007, 07:12 PM

Looks like Czech 148 grain silvertip made in 1963.

11-30-2007, 09:13 PM	#1
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 3,440 Trader Rating: (0)	Help me identify this ammo. I got a crate of what I believe is Czech ammo for my Mosin. It is in a sealed tin inside a wood crate. The markings on the crate are as follows. Can anybody tell me the bullet weight?: 780 28/63 bxn 7.62-59 1bpl/FE 24 kg Netp 1.2 x 0.4/1.2 KF nma Also, at the sound of being totally stupid, how the heck do you open the tin?

11-30-2007, 09:18 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,283 Trader Rating: (0)	I dont know unless it is yellow striped Heavy Ball, there would be yellow stripes on the Can...It is probably 147 Gr. Is there a Can Opener in the crate anywhere ? Usually strapped under the lid... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-01-2007, 01:55 PM	#4
bigbuddy21 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: new albany in. Posts: 965 Trader Rating: (0)	take a pair of plyers to it. thats what i had to do to the last can i bought. __________________ LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!

12-01-2007, 02:32 PM	#5
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,037 Trader Rating: (1)	Use a large flat head scerwdriver and a hammer, go along the inner edge of the can, and open it just enough to get the packs out. __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!" http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/zephri/

12-01-2007, 10:39 PM	#9
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,422 Trader Rating: (0)	Here's what you're looking for: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...mmunition.html (Military Surplus Ammunition) __________________

12-01-2007, 06:51 AM	#3
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 3,440 Trader Rating: (0)	No can opener.

12-01-2007, 10:10 PM	#7
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 3,440 Trader Rating: (0)	Got 780 rounds for $100 delivered, Didn't sound too bad. But there has to be some way to identify it. I don't want to have to pull a bullet to weigh the durned thing.

12-02-2007, 05:16 PM	#12
fullMetalJack Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 118 Trader Rating: (0)	hey bud, its zchek military ammoif i spelled that right . although i don't know the weight of the ammo, personally i have used it before and it fires pretty good. these cases of ammo can sit in armory's for years but they are very well preserved and fire pretty good. to open them they usually have this handle can opener deal that ships with them. ive only recieved one once. use a can opener no joke. not the plug kind the old school can openers

12-02-2007, 07:10 PM	#13
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 3,440 Trader Rating: (0)	Was no can opener in the crate. Did the hammer and flat blade screwdriver thing.

12-03-2007, 12:00 AM	#14
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,037 Trader Rating: (1)	how'd it work? __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!" http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/zephri/

12-04-2007, 09:45 AM	#15
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 3,440 Trader Rating: (0)	Got her open.

12-05-2007, 08:55 AM	#16
ninwnc Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 435 Trader Rating: (0)	This might help you ID ammo in the future. International Ammunition Association Nick

12-05-2007, 10:52 AM	#17
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,422 Trader Rating: (0)	Better yet, just go here: 7.62x54r Ammunition Evaluations __________________

12-05-2007, 01:10 PM	#18
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,363 Trader Rating: (0)	I believe most of the Czech ammo is 148 gr. unless it has a yellow tip which is heavy ball and is, I believe 182 gr. A lot of the heavy ball was built for machine-gun use and subsequently has higher pressures and recoil so make sure your gun is up to the task of firing it. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

12-08-2007, 07:12 PM	#20
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 3,440 Trader Rating: (0)	Looks like Czech 148 grain silvertip made in 1963.