Going sniper

[Geo M44]

Originally Posted by gunguy

has any one use the rear sight to mount the scope. ive seen the bracket online that mounts to it then you mount your scope to that. just wondering if that works well

I have the NCStar 2-7 x 32 LER (rear sight mount) on one of my M44's and it works absolutely great. I would recommend it to anyone.

[Mike82]

If anything, I am gonna try for the direct mount to receiver by removing rear sights, atm tryin to figure out the difficulty of removing the sights. Already have my scope rings and LER scope, both made by Leupold. Always had good luck with that company.

<<<caused by 'rifle-hugging' ....and using standard scope....LER FTW!!!

[SwedeSteve]

Not difficult! I believe you just put downward pressure on the sight leaf, tap out the pin (left to right), remove the sight and spring(?) and put mount on. Again, the others have done it, but I'm sure it is similar to prepping a rear sight base for a Mojo.

[Mike82]

Ok swede, I think I know now where we're confusing each other. I'm not talking about removing just the sights themselves, but removing their base, to where you just have the round top of barrel. Supposedly the base is mounted on barrel by means of a dovetail cut into barrel, and then a single screw is used to keep base from sliding forward and aft on barrel. That is how it seems they did it at the manufacturer. I am just wondering if the screw is removal without having to drill it out, and if u drill it out, how deep do you drill, etc....specs is what i'm looking for, that is why i asked in other post if anyone had done before.

[just_a_car]

billy should be able to help you, he's done this before.

I believe you just drift off the sight block. And, if you have one that's pinned, as some of the later ones did in the middle of the block, you'll have to drift that out first.

As for the dovetail, it's the male end, not the female end... so it sticks up from the receiver, it isn't a groove cut into it. You can actually see it on the rear part of the sight base if you look closely in good light.

[Mike82]

dunno about any pins, mine's a Tula made in 1936, and the only thing i see is if you lift the sight up, and you see the part of the base that the rear of sight rests on, you'll see what looks to be a flat-head screw about the size of a 'BB', and the head is flush with the top of the base. That's what i'm wondering about, it looks to be screwed in to base and it either screws into receiver, meaning receiver is threaded, or the base is threaded and it's just screwed in till it hits receiver and acts like a pressure pin/screw.... I dont really know how it's setup, i've just ran into similar probs with other guns, that's why i was asking, but ty for the help/info.

[just_a_car]

Mike, take a look at the sight bases on this page: Soviet M91/59

They show ones in a row with the pins that are later-model mods and then in the row below it, they show ones without. In between that row, they mention that there's a difference with the bases being pinned.

If you have a pinned base, then it will have to be drifted out prior to removal.

[Mike82]

okay.... <sighs> the rear sights on your link show pins that are on side of block, what i'm talking about is a single screw-like pin that is viewable only if u lift the rear sight up.... if i had a working digi-camera, i would take a pic to show you, if you can find a pic of the top of a sight with the sight bar lift up, i'll save, edit, and repost it showing the screw location........ actually, i'm gonna go look for one now. :P

[just_a_car]

Yeah, I understood what you were talking about mike, but you were talking about the top-pin after I mentioned the side-pins and I thought you didn't quite understand what I meant.

As far as I'm aware, as long as the base isn't pinned, it should drift off from back to front. It may have been silver soldered on, which would then require heating with a torch to melt the solder away, but that's the only thing that should stop you from getting it off, save the fact that it's been there for decades and now probably is quite a bit 'sticky'.

I'd wait for billy's take on it, though, before wailing on the base. That way you can be decently sure you're doing the right thing, as I haven't done it to any of my mosins yet.

[Mike82]

yeah, thanks for the help, and sorry bout the sarcasm :P

i guess i'll pm billy and ask him about it, or atleast get a thread started with him so the info can help any1 else that may come across this situation. Thank much man for the help and site links, I found stuff from them i didnt know about. Plus I gotta go pickup a short 91/30 that is possibly a 91/59....and it's mint, this oughtta be an interesting venture

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Mike82

yeah, thanks for the help, and sorry bout the sarcasm :P
i guess i'll pm billy and ask him about it, or atleast get a thread started with him so the info can help any1 else that may come across this situation. Thank much man for the help and site links, I found stuff from them i didnt know about. Plus I gotta go pickup a short 91/30 that is possibly a 91/59....and it's mint, this oughtta be an interesting venture

By definition, if it's a "short 91/30" it ain't a 91/30. If mint, odds are very good it's a 91/59, and worth grabbing. Or it could also be a re-arsenaled M38; also worth grabbing.

[Mike82]

yeah, it's stamped by IO,inc and the paperwork states condition:new, which often means re-done by someone, somewhere. and they are asking $65, but they said make offer....and no, they know nothing about firearms :P
i might offer $50 for it and if they say no, then what the hell, i'll lay down $65 and make a run for it, lol.

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by Mike82

yeah, it's stamped by IO,inc and the paperwork states condition:new, which often means re-done by someone, somewhere. and they are asking $65, but they said make offer....and no, they know nothing about firearms :P
i might offer $50 for it and if they say no, then what the hell, i'll lay down $65 and make a run for it, lol.

Good on ya, Mike!

I hope you get a real beauty... and when you do, we want to see pictures... lots of 'em!

[Mike82]

My main concern is I hope no one else has seen it and thought "hmmm, nice hunting rifle"; hopefully anyone that sees it will think "hmmm out of date POS". I should've grabbed it when i saw it first time, but I saw the stamping from IO,inc and thought it looked a lil 'gawdy', cuz the stamping was silvery colored and stood out, and I didnt think it looked right, the actual stamping if i remember right looked like it was done with single dot punch machine, where instead of punching with letters, it used a bunch of lil dots very close together to form letters. Which makes it look even worse, the least they could've done was blacken out the metal so you didnt see silver lettering. Other than that, the wood and rest of it looks like it was just manufactured, not a single worn spot anywhere, so nice....

[just_a_car]

You should get used to it Mike, CAI (Century Arms, Inc.) did/does the same thing and that's what most of your mosins are going to be.

Here's mine (with the last part of the serial number blacked-out):

[Mike82]

I dont recall my WASR-10 from century having the stamping like that, not at home or i'd look, but if it does, it was probably blacked out or had the receiver recoated in whatever black substance they use, "blueing, or should i say black'ing"

[just_a_car]

I meant specifically for mosins, that's what CAI did/does. My CETME and AES-10 from Century don't have that kind of stamping.

[Mike82]

ah ok :P

[lightskinnedbro]

Originally Posted by Zephri

This was at 50 yards on a somewhat stable range bag, my mosin is also free floated which really helped the accuracy. I'm pretty sure that if I put it in a mechanical rest it would shoot 4 out of 5 rounds into the same hole or very close.

The ammo I used was Hungarian Silver tip, head stamp 21 over 76.

What kind of scope is that. I have been looking for a scope for mine but didnt know what to really look at.

[just_a_car]

No worries, I should have specified I was only talking about their mosins. Interestingly, I once saw a CAI mosin that had the engraving on the barrel, just behind the front sight. It looked like an old import. Really shoddy workmanship and the front sight moved left and right in the dovetail with little pressure.