Can you put a muzzle brake on a Mosin? - Page 2

gandog56 · 02-11-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

As a matter of fact, I broke my right shoulder a number of years back (stellate fracture at the point of the shoulder, second time in my life in the same place since I did it as a kid too), the doctors couldn't do anything for it, and it hasn't been right ever since. I'm in constant pain from it right where my buttplates snuggle in. (Fortunately, Aleve handles the pain, though it does nothing for the mobility.) It can handle the recoil from my SKS or an M-1 Carbine okay, but I'll ache for days if I fire a 2 3/4" 12-gauge standard load from a shotgun with no recoil pad. I've heard folks on this forum say that the 7.62x54R round out of a Mosin is in that league in terms of felt recoil, so I need to find a way to deal with the felt recoil before I spend the money to contract Mosinitis. And then there are the other .30 cal type military rifles i want to acquire and shoot....

I like the idea of the lace-on recoil pads. Where do you find them and how much do they cost?

As far as collecting, I realistically expect to have some in milspec condition brought back as far as I can, and one or two shooters.

For a shooter, I would have no problem having a smith weld a muzzle brake into place, if they really work. (I also want to get one and configure it as a sporter for hunting, with a synthetic stock and probably a scout scope, perhaps with those accordian-pleat dinguses that attach to the scope and run back over the action to your eye because you don't have to drill and tap to mount them. I have a hard time using scout scopes for some reason.) So the question is, do they really work are are they bull-hype?

I got a shooter's vest with a sewn in recoil pad.

lefty o · 02-11-2008, 05:55 PM

loctite is not usually considered a permanent installation when dealing with gun laws. hi temp silver solder, and welding are considered good to go. threading alone will hold the brake on the barrel all by itself, the silver solder is only for the legality side of it.

Cyrano · 02-11-2008, 09:27 PM

Thanks for the clarification. It works for me. Any good smith can manage silver solder, and I've met some good ones on this forum.

marion57 · 02-12-2008, 12:46 AM

My question is why would you want a muzzle brake when a recoil pad will give you the same amount of anti kick??And why would you want to alter the gun for a pain in the posterier muzzle brake ??I dont know about the laws concerning them but no one i have ever talked to that has one would ever do it again...Just my two cents

texnmidwest · 02-12-2008, 06:20 AM

Marion, his reason is that he had a severe shoulder injury. With out some sort of reduction in actual recoil his injured shoulder will cause him a lot of pain. My guess is that even the pad would cause enough of a jolt on his shoulder to put him in pain for a few days. He is seeking something that will allow him to shoot with out injury to his compromised shoulder. In his case I can see why he would want a muzzle brake.

billy · 02-12-2008, 07:03 AM

if a brake does get on that gun it is going to be the loudest gun in the county!
get ready for some dirty looks at the range!

gandog56 · 02-12-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by billy

if a brake does get on that gun it is going to be the loudest gun in the county!
get ready for some dirty looks at the range!

Like when my smith and I was firing his 50 cal sniper rifle at the range? We didn't get dirty looks, but we sure got a lot of people cruising behind us to take a gander. That big old wedge shaped muzzle brake did an outstanding job, too. I've fired 12 gauges that kicked harder.

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Marion, his reason is that he had a severe shoulder injury. With out some sort of reduction in actual recoil his injured shoulder will cause him a lot of pain. My guess is that even the pad would cause enough of a jolt on his shoulder to put him in pain for a few days. He is seeking something that will allow him to shoot with out injury to his compromised shoulder. In his case I can see why he would want a muzzle brake.

Hmmm, maybe a muzzle brake AND a recoil pad?

SwedeSteve · 02-12-2008, 07:13 AM

Have to agree Billy. Gonna be loud! But other options are few. Hope you find a viable solution Cyrano!
There is a guy that sells brown leather lace on pads on ebay and auction arms. The leather is thin, but they are put together well. I tried to post pics of them but they ended up as the attachment (paperclip) to this thread.

Cyrano · 02-12-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

There is a guy that sells brown leather lace on pads on ebay and auction arms. The leather is thin, but they are put together well.

Thanks, Swede. Do you have a name for this guy, or an eBay pseudo or something, so I can find him?

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Originally Posted by billy

if a brake does get on that gun it is going to be the loudest gun in the county!
get ready for some dirty looks at the range!

billy, I don't see how it could possibly be worse than the club president's .300 WinMag. When he shoots that thing it sounds like a cannon going off. And one of the other members has a .45-70 that's even louder. You can literally hear that one half a mile away.

I speak from experience. When I was a Boy Scout, as a troop project to meet a number of merit badge requirements we hiked the route the Minutemen used to chase the British from Lexington and the famous Concord Bridge all the way back to Boston one Patriots Day. We chanced to pass the artillery battery the reenactors had set up near Concord Bridge just as it fired. Even though we were parallel to it and not in front of it, the shockwave was some impressive and my ears rang for about 5 minutes.

SwedeSteve · 02-12-2008, 08:39 AM

Cyrano- Look at auction arms auction # 8462316
See he has raised the price.

marion57 · 02-12-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Marion, his reason is that he had a severe shoulder injury. With out some sort of reduction in actual recoil his injured shoulder will cause him a lot of pain. My guess is that even the pad would cause enough of a jolt on his shoulder to put him in pain for a few days. He is seeking something that will allow him to shoot with out injury to his compromised shoulder. In his case I can see why he would want a muzzle brake.

Ok ! has anyone given any thought to a shooting stand ....maybe a shooting stand is a better answer

lefty o · 02-12-2008, 10:14 AM

im not avocating one way or the other, but a muzzle brake is much more effective in reducing felt recoil than a butt pad. both working together would be best.

SwedeSteve · 02-12-2008, 10:29 AM

That is true lefty. Actually, if it came down to being able to shoot or not, I would probably go with porting, and a buttpad of some sort. My uncle can no longer shoot large calibers, but he still gets out to the range to shoot 22lr! And he's a pretty good shot out to 100m. A shooting stand is anothr great idea Marion!

marion57 · 02-12-2008, 01:42 PM

I saw where a lotta disabled vets are being treated to a day of shooting at the range and thoght maybe it could be the answer!!some of the guys were using stands!!

billy · 02-12-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

Thanks, Swede. Do you have a name for this guy, or an eBay pseudo or something, so I can find him?

billy, I don't see how it could possibly be worse than the club president's .300 WinMag. When he shoots that thing it sounds like a cannon going off. And one of the other members has a .45-70 that's even louder. You can literally hear that one half a mile away.

I speak from experience. When I was a Boy Scout, as a troop project to meet a number of merit badge requirements we hiked the route the Minutemen used to chase the British from Lexington and the famous Concord Bridge all the way back to Boston one Patriots Day. We chanced to pass the artillery battery the reenactors had set up near Concord Bridge just as it fired. Even though we were parallel to it and not in front of it, the shockwave was some impressive and my ears rang for about 5 minutes.

an m44 with a break on it is going to be one of the loudest firearms you are ever going to hear.
A 300WIN.MAG WITH A BREAK WOULD BE VERY VERY LOUD ALSO.
i hate breaks at the range unless i am the guy using one.

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Originally Posted by gandog56

Like when my smith and I was firing his 50 cal sniper rifle at the range? We didn't get dirty looks, but we sure got a lot of people cruising behind us to take a gander. That big old wedge shaped muzzle brake did an outstanding job, too. I've fired 12 gauges that kicked harder.

Hmmm, maybe a muzzle brake AND a recoil pad?

when folks see a 50 they are prepared for a gun that will cause permanent hearing damage.
when they look at a mosin they arent ready for that much noise.

Cyrano · 02-12-2008, 08:25 PM

billy, ear protection at my club is mandatory. Mandatory to the point we keep a can of disposable earplugs out on the writing bench at all times, just in case someone forgets their earmuffs. We have signs outside the range building (it's an open range but we shoot from under cover, so you can go shoot in the rain if you want to, and some folks do - no competition for shooting time) warning people not to proceed beyond this point without eye and ear protection. We haven't had any members complain about the policy yet, and likely we won't; there are enough long time members who remember the half-deaf DIs and drill sergeants of their youth who got that way from hearing too many .30-06s go BANG! right next to them. All the range officers hold that particular example up as a "don't let this happen to you" to anyone dopey enough to want to shoot without hearing protection in place.

nick112207 · 02-12-2008, 08:33 PM

have you ever actually shot your mosin? it was only the second gun i ever shot. first was my 6.5mm carcano so there was a major jump in kick. if you hold it right and take your time it doesnt hurt. only time it really ever hurt me was when i was trying to show off and see just how fast i could cycle through all 5 rounds. now that hurt my shoulder very much. haha

02-12-2008, 06:20 AM	#25
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,450	Marion, his reason is that he had a severe shoulder injury. With out some sort of reduction in actual recoil his injured shoulder will cause him a lot of pain. My guess is that even the pad would cause enough of a jolt on his shoulder to put him in pain for a few days. He is seeking something that will allow him to shoot with out injury to his compromised shoulder. In his case I can see why he would want a muzzle brake. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

02-12-2008, 07:03 AM	#26
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,134 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	if a brake does get on that gun it is going to be the loudest gun in the county! get ready for some dirty looks at the range! __________________

02-12-2008, 08:39 AM	#30
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,370 Images: 1	Cyrano- Look at auction arms auction # 8462316 See he has raised the price. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

02-12-2008, 10:29 AM	#33
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,370 Images: 1	That is true lefty. Actually, if it came down to being able to shoot or not, I would probably go with porting, and a buttpad of some sort. My uncle can no longer shoot large calibers, but he still gets out to the range to shoot 22lr! And he's a pretty good shot out to 100m. A shooting stand is anothr great idea Marion! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

02-11-2008, 05:55 PM	#22
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,802	loctite is not usually considered a permanent installation when dealing with gun laws. hi temp silver solder, and welding are considered good to go. threading alone will hold the brake on the barrel all by itself, the silver solder is only for the legality side of it.

02-11-2008, 09:27 PM	#23
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,356	Thanks for the clarification. It works for me. Any good smith can manage silver solder, and I've met some good ones on this forum.

02-12-2008, 12:46 AM	#24
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,882	My question is why would you want a muzzle brake when a recoil pad will give you the same amount of anti kick??And why would you want to alter the gun for a pain in the posterier muzzle brake ??I dont know about the laws concerning them but no one i have ever talked to that has one would ever do it again...Just my two cents

02-12-2008, 10:14 AM	#32
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,802	im not avocating one way or the other, but a muzzle brake is much more effective in reducing felt recoil than a butt pad. both working together would be best.

02-12-2008, 01:42 PM	#34
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,882	I saw where a lotta disabled vets are being treated to a day of shooting at the range and thoght maybe it could be the answer!!some of the guys were using stands!!

02-12-2008, 08:25 PM	#36
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,356	billy, ear protection at my club is mandatory. Mandatory to the point we keep a can of disposable earplugs out on the writing bench at all times, just in case someone forgets their earmuffs. We have signs outside the range building (it's an open range but we shoot from under cover, so you can go shoot in the rain if you want to, and some folks do - no competition for shooting time) warning people not to proceed beyond this point without eye and ear protection. We haven't had any members complain about the policy yet, and likely we won't; there are enough long time members who remember the half-deaf DIs and drill sergeants of their youth who got that way from hearing too many .30-06s go BANG! right next to them. All the range officers hold that particular example up as a "don't let this happen to you" to anyone dopey enough to want to shoot without hearing protection in place.

02-12-2008, 08:33 PM	#37
nick112207 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 337	have you ever actually shot your mosin? it was only the second gun i ever shot. first was my 6.5mm carcano so there was a major jump in kick. if you hold it right and take your time it doesnt hurt. only time it really ever hurt me was when i was trying to show off and see just how fast i could cycle through all 5 rounds. now that hurt my shoulder very much. haha