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Geo M44 · 03-10-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Hey! Hillary may be a flaming liberal but she is a hot babe!!!! GGgrrrrrrrr....

Too much info Tex!!!

gregkilo · 03-10-2008, 09:00 PM

seriously now, I need to be able to get a decent pattern at 300m

texnmidwest · 03-10-2008, 09:04 PM

300 meter? Hmmm. Although some Mosins are capable of good groups at that range if you really want something that will hit a gnats butt at 300m you may want to look at 03A3's or a Match M1 or AR.

gregkilo · 03-10-2008, 09:05 PM

im not talkin about gnats butt accurate, deer butt accurate

Geo M44 · 03-10-2008, 09:40 PM

Maybe a deer at 300M is doable. Maybe a 91/30 would work. Like any other rifle it takes a fair degree of practice, and consistant hunting ammo. You wouldn't use MilSurp FMJ for hunting anyway.

The 7.62 x 54R round will definately still have take-down power at that distance, but you need to be a pretty fair shot to pull a snap shot and adjust for bullet drop and the elements.

The more I think about it... 300M is really a long shot for deer.

marion57 · 03-11-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gregkilo

whats the effective range of a Mosin? Truthfully now.......

Effective range is 300 meters not yards +
But that is dependent on the shooter not the rifle
Killing range is even farther
As far as I know most states require soft nose ammo th hunt , im missouri FMJ is outlawed for hunting

Cyrano · 03-11-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gregkilo

im not talkin about gnats butt accurate, deer butt accurate

greg, where are you hunting that you'll get a shot at a deer at 300 meters? The county I live in here in the Peoples Democratic Republic of New York won't even let you use rifles, the ranges are so short! We're restricted to shotguns. I haven't heard of anyone taking a deer at a range longer than 150 yards around here in years, and a Mosin is certainly good enough for that with soft-nose or HP (handloads) ammo.

gregkilo · 03-11-2008, 08:17 AM

Cyrano, I truck farm to supplement my income. My fields behind my house are equal to about 20 acres and are completely open. The treeline is about 325m away. Last season the deer took about thirty percent of my crops. Repellents dont work period, and Ive tried them all, even some that recommended human hair from the barber shop. On a good day(perfect conditions) I can take a deer at 300m. My sks is not consistent enough to make the shot every time. These shots were from bench using optics (I bench on my deck rail). Im not just talking about a few deer, as I have counted as high as eighteen at one time in my field. This type farming entails a great deal of work and investment. Im at a loss as to what to do. Any suggestions?

Geo M44 · 03-11-2008, 08:55 AM

Ah. Now I think we understand. Under those conditions just the fire and thunder of a MN might at least scare them away. But seriously the 91/30 from a bench, at 300M/yards (39" vs. 36") should do the trick.

Just keep in mind that if you miss the 7.62 x 54R round still has a substantial kill range like any other high powered round.

Good luck with those deer. I grew up around Monterey the Salinas Valley and know that they can really be a pain in the ass for farmer and gardner alike, especially when hunting bans (don't shoot bambi) prevent thinning the herds.

gregkilo · 03-11-2008, 09:22 AM

Geo, I dont have to worry too much about missed shots, not because I always hit what I aim at, but the area behind by home is uninhabited for at least five miles, mostly owned by paper companies like GA Pacific, etc. There are no homes or roads, just firebreaks. There is only one other water source, other than my small pond, in a three mile radius. Therein lies the root of my problem. As far as scaring them away goes, they are not afraid of my dogs nor are they scared of gunfire. They dont have a lot of human contact so they arent as shy. Especially in the off season.

SwedeSteve · 03-11-2008, 09:27 AM

Greg- Is Alabama still "a deer a day"? I had a good friend that lived way out west of Phenix City. He got rid of his deer problem by shooting one every morning! It didn't take long for them to figure it out, and go elsewhere.

Cyrano · 03-11-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gregkilo

Cyrano, I truck farm to supplement my income. My fields behind my house are equal to about 20 acres and are completely open. The treeline is about 325m away. Last season the deer took about thirty percent of my crops. . On a good day(perfect conditions) I can take a deer at 300m. These shots were from bench using optics (I bench on my deck rail). I'm not just talking about a few deer, as I have counted as high as eighteen at one time in my field. Any suggestions?

Now it makes sense. I assume you have hunting regulations that let you shoot all the deer that you want, any time you want, on your own property to protect your crops?

My only suggestions are to put the best scope you can afford on your Mosin and get the rifle slugged so you know the exact diameter of the bore. Then go to the catalogs, order some hollowpoint bullets (I wonder if there is a Hornaday TAP bullet that might fit the Mosin case?) and handload yourself some 7.62x54R hollowpoints for popping these oversize varmints. There are 7.62x54R softpoints out there, but they're pricey, at least at the gun shops hereabouts, like $24.95 for 20 rounds. I hope someone else on the forum knows of better prices for hunting rounds for you.

And although this may be stating the bleedin' obvious, if it is possible to safely do so, erect a target at the far side of the fields and practice on it. I don't think Bambi can read, but it will give you confidence that you can make your shot every time. I bet you get tired of venison!

gregkilo · 03-11-2008, 09:35 AM

Since local Fish and Game has ignored my pleas for help, permits to eradicate, etc. I have declared open season on my property. Horns or muleyheads, It makes no diff, I left with no alternative. I give away what I can and feed the rest to the neighbors dogs and my own. The ones that are not already diseased up from inbreeding anyway. BTW, Im just waiting for someone to give me grief about one shot kills at +/- 300m with an sks.

Cyr, there are rules and regs, but if folled, in this situation were all just chasing our tails

marion57 · 03-11-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gregkilo

Since local Fish and Game has ignored my pleas for help, permits to eradicate, etc. I have declared open season on my property. Horns or muleyheads, It makes no diff, I left with no alternative. I give away what I can and feed the rest to the neighbors dogs and my own. The ones that are not already diseased up from inbreeding anyway. BTW, Im just waiting for someone to give me grief about one shot kills at +/- 300m with an sks.

Cyr, there are rules and regs, but if folled, in this situation were all just chasing our tails

If your doing that well with a SKS why would you want to change to a mosin???I would stick with what I know works for me..just a thought

gregkilo · 03-11-2008, 10:03 AM

I have the field ranged at 1,2, and 300m and also have surveyors ribbons on the stakes for wind direction. I can only accomplish these shots with specially handloaded ammo, and the guy that loads it for me is "out of pocket" right now. Thetre really hot loads, and the rifle only looks like a sks on the outside. Lots of work done to it as a favor to my son. I could purchase five or six sks for what the optics are valued at, and they only go on the rifle when the conditions are right.

texnmidwest · 03-11-2008, 04:53 PM

Mosin will do the trick for you. They have the power and with proper loads and optics it will do what you are asking. But, why not think about getting a Stevens 200? They are not expensive 235 locally and a 308 or -06 will be cheap to shoot as well. Plus you will have more consistent accuracy.

I understand your problem with deer. 30% of a crop is a lot to loose. The legalities I leave up to you.

03-10-2008, 09:04 PM	#23
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,464	300 meter? Hmmm. Although some Mosins are capable of good groups at that range if you really want something that will hit a gnats butt at 300m you may want to look at 03A3's or a Match M1 or AR. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-10-2008, 09:40 PM	#25
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,212	Maybe a deer at 300M is doable. Maybe a 91/30 would work. Like any other rifle it takes a fair degree of practice, and consistant hunting ammo. You wouldn't use MilSurp FMJ for hunting anyway. The 7.62 x 54R round will definately still have take-down power at that distance, but you need to be a pretty fair shot to pull a snap shot and adjust for bullet drop and the elements. The more I think about it... 300M is really a long shot for deer. Last edited by Geo M44; 03-10-2008 at 09:50 PM.

03-11-2008, 09:22 AM	#30
gregkilo Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherokee Co. Alabama Posts: 67	Geo, I dont have to worry too much about missed shots, not because I always hit what I aim at, but the area behind by home is uninhabited for at least five miles, mostly owned by paper companies like GA Pacific, etc. There are no homes or roads, just firebreaks. There is only one other water source, other than my small pond, in a three mile radius. Therein lies the root of my problem. As far as scaring them away goes, they are not afraid of my dogs nor are they scared of gunfire. They dont have a lot of human contact so they arent as shy. Especially in the off season. Last edited by gregkilo; 03-11-2008 at 09:27 AM. Reason: more info

03-11-2008, 09:27 AM	#31
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,400 Images: 1	Greg- Is Alabama still "a deer a day"? I had a good friend that lived way out west of Phenix City. He got rid of his deer problem by shooting one every morning! It didn't take long for them to figure it out, and go elsewhere. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-11-2008, 09:35 AM	#33
gregkilo Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherokee Co. Alabama Posts: 67	deer a day Since local Fish and Game has ignored my pleas for help, permits to eradicate, etc. I have declared open season on my property. Horns or muleyheads, It makes no diff, I left with no alternative. I give away what I can and feed the rest to the neighbors dogs and my own. The ones that are not already diseased up from inbreeding anyway. BTW, Im just waiting for someone to give me grief about one shot kills at +/- 300m with an sks. Cyr, there are rules and regs, but if folled, in this situation were all just chasing our tails Last edited by gregkilo; 03-11-2008 at 09:38 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-10-2008, 09:00 PM	#22
gregkilo Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherokee Co. Alabama Posts: 67	seriously now, I need to be able to get a decent pattern at 300m

03-10-2008, 09:05 PM	#24
gregkilo Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherokee Co. Alabama Posts: 67	im not talkin about gnats butt accurate, deer butt accurate

03-11-2008, 08:17 AM	#28
gregkilo Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherokee Co. Alabama Posts: 67	Cyrano, I truck farm to supplement my income. My fields behind my house are equal to about 20 acres and are completely open. The treeline is about 325m away. Last season the deer took about thirty percent of my crops. Repellents dont work period, and Ive tried them all, even some that recommended human hair from the barber shop. On a good day(perfect conditions) I can take a deer at 300m. My sks is not consistent enough to make the shot every time. These shots were from bench using optics (I bench on my deck rail). Im not just talking about a few deer, as I have counted as high as eighteen at one time in my field. This type farming entails a great deal of work and investment. Im at a loss as to what to do. Any suggestions?

03-11-2008, 08:55 AM	#29
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,212	Ah. Now I think we understand. Under those conditions just the fire and thunder of a MN might at least scare them away. But seriously the 91/30 from a bench, at 300M/yards (39" vs. 36") should do the trick. Just keep in mind that if you miss the 7.62 x 54R round still has a substantial kill range like any other high powered round. Good luck with those deer. I grew up around Monterey the Salinas Valley and know that they can really be a pain in the ass for farmer and gardner alike, especially when hunting bans (don't shoot bambi) prevent thinning the herds.

03-11-2008, 10:03 AM	#35
gregkilo Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherokee Co. Alabama Posts: 67	I have the field ranged at 1,2, and 300m and also have surveyors ribbons on the stakes for wind direction. I can only accomplish these shots with specially handloaded ammo, and the guy that loads it for me is "out of pocket" right now. Thetre really hot loads, and the rifle only looks like a sks on the outside. Lots of work done to it as a favor to my son. I could purchase five or six sks for what the optics are valued at, and they only go on the rifle when the conditions are right.

03-11-2008, 04:53 PM	#36
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,464	Mosin will do the trick for you. They have the power and with proper loads and optics it will do what you are asking. But, why not think about getting a Stevens 200? They are not expensive 235 locally and a 308 or -06 will be cheap to shoot as well. Plus you will have more consistent accuracy. I understand your problem with deer. 30% of a crop is a lot to loose. The legalities I leave up to you. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)