the local gunstore

R5CYA · 03-13-2008, 09:50 PM

dropped by after not being in there for years. never hit it off with the owner. he had a nice 1953 hungarian m44 there for $125 with what he said was the original leather sling. think i'll save up some spare cash for it. i picked up a couple 20 round packs of "mystery" bullets. one was 1970 bulgarian, steel case, steel core, heavy. the other's got me confused. it's either 1989 albanian with the year over the country code or 1968 on the bottom and a backwards three for a country code. it's brass cased and has a small primer. five of the twenty rounds were dented above the shoulder. seems to me i saw a thread about the backwards three somewhere but i can't remember (that went right before my eyesight)

Geo M44 · 03-13-2008, 09:53 PM

Yeah that looks like Albanian (bottom picture). What did they charge you?

R5CYA · 03-13-2008, 10:04 PM

it was like $7.50 for a twenty pack. i know that's obscene, i just want to get a few different kinds of rounds to see what my gun likes. problem is, everything i've come across so far is heavy. any idea what the albanian bullet weight is? maybe i should pull one and get the triple beam scale out.

Geo M44 · 03-13-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by R5CYA

it was like $7.50 for a twenty pack. i know that's obscene, i just want to get a few different kinds of rounds to see what my gun likes. problem is, everything i've come across so far is heavy. any idea what the albanian bullet weight is? maybe i should pull one and get the triple beam scale out.

Should be around 150gr. from memory as I measured the ones I decaped because they looked so bad.

Next time check the Bulgarian heavy ball for $45+Shipping for 300 rounds. Good brass cased ammo, but still corrosive.

SwedeSteve · 03-13-2008, 10:15 PM

I am going to put up a sticky on this, but... 3/86 is albanian steel core, light ball, with a bullet diamete of .311 I believe.

R5CYA · 03-13-2008, 10:25 PM

i still got 200 rounds of the bulgy heavy. just testing the waters.
any comments on the 53 hungarian m44? is $125 an okay deal on a hungarian?

Geo M44 · 03-13-2008, 10:45 PM

Yeah, It is fun to try out different ammo. Most of the Albanian I've found (mainly at gunshows for $4 a bag of 20) looks like it was dug out of a corn field. I have come to like both Bulgarian and Czech heavy ball (although most of the time I shoot hand loaded). Both very consistant and accurate. Both mic out at .311 and a very good ogive length of 2.45" +-.05.

...and the Hungarian M44, where else can you buy one? $125 is probably not a bad price. I Still regret selling my 1953 Romanian.

texnmidwest · 03-14-2008, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by R5CYA

i still got 200 rounds of the bulgy heavy. just testing the waters.
any comments on the 53 hungarian m44? is $125 an okay deal on a hungarian?

If the numbers match on receiver, bolt, magazine floor plate and butt plate then snap that puppy up quick! If mismatched then it is still a good deal on a good shooter. I have one I paid 90 for but that was a fluke.

R5CYA · 03-14-2008, 10:55 AM

the numbers did match and didn't seem forced. i'm gonna have another look and am really thinking of owning it by the end of the weekend.

texnmidwest · 03-14-2008, 03:48 PM

Matching Hungarian M44s have a rarity scale of 4. Would be a good deal for 125. Maybe you could get him lower or throw in some ammo.

R5CYA · 03-14-2008, 04:54 PM

LOL! while you were typing that, i was filling out the paperwork. it's official now.
I HAVE MOSINITIS!
i take delivery on the 25th. i'll post pics then. it is all matching numbers and in really good shape. the ten day wait is gonna kill me.

texnmidwest · 03-14-2008, 05:01 PM

Way to go R5! You are gonna love that rifle. It should shoot well too!

marion57 · 03-14-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by R5CYA

the numbers did match and didn't seem forced. i'm gonna have another look and am really thinking of owning it by the end of the weekend.

First of all congrats on your new rifle .. Forced matched is kinda the wrong term.. what they do is scrub the numbers on bolts and restamp them not all but most are that way today!!Mosin bolts are and can be pretty interchangable as most on here will tell you.. So I would never worry too much about matching numbers ( or forced matched) as truth be told most are "force matched"

SwedeSteve · 03-14-2008, 06:51 PM

I would agree. I would also bet most of what we are seeing now started out as a barreled receiver..

texnmidwest · 03-14-2008, 08:01 PM

Does that mean they "Barreled" through life?

R5CYA · 03-14-2008, 09:26 PM

thx for the correction, marion. i'm just glad to find one local that has some charact.r to it and hasn't been scrubbed of all it's history like my izzy with the squeaky clean stock, obviously sanded out and remarked bolt and lined out mag. it does have a tiny import mark on the barrel by the front sight but other than that, it looks like it was just taken from the hands of a hungarian soldier.

ArkansasHunter · 03-14-2008, 09:38 PM

Excellent find and a good deal to boot. Can you post pictures of your new M44 ?
Thats the model I want...A.H

R5CYA · 03-14-2008, 10:46 PM

we'll both have to wait till the 25th. there's a ten day waiting period on all guns in the peoples republik of kalifornia unless you have a c&r and a c.o.e.
like we're all gonna

. with an old bolt action rifle.

marion57 · 03-15-2008, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by R5CYA

thx for the correction, marion. i'm just glad to find one local that has some charact.r to it and hasn't been scrubbed of all it's history like my izzy with the squeaky clean stock, obviously sanded out and remarked bolt and lined out mag. it does have a tiny import mark on the barrel by the front sight but other than that, it looks like it was just taken from the hands of a hungarian soldier.

Your welcome and now I want some porn posted so we can all drool
BTW wasnt a correction just information!!I only try to correct Tex and Swede LOL J/K tex and Swede

texnmidwest · 03-15-2008, 07:19 AM

Marion, If I have wrong info I WANT to be corrected. Opinions debated, but facts please correct. So, there!

03-13-2008, 09:50 PM	#1
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 402 Trader Rating: (0)	the local gunstore dropped by after not being in there for years. never hit it off with the owner. he had a nice 1953 hungarian m44 there for $125 with what he said was the original leather sling. think i'll save up some spare cash for it. i picked up a couple 20 round packs of "mystery" bullets. one was 1970 bulgarian, steel case, steel core, heavy. the other's got me confused. it's either 1989 albanian with the year over the country code or 1968 on the bottom and a backwards three for a country code. it's brass cased and has a small primer. five of the twenty rounds were dented above the shoulder. seems to me i saw a thread about the backwards three somewhere but i can't remember (that went right before my eyesight)

03-13-2008, 10:15 PM	#5
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,875 Trader Rating: (0)	I am going to put up a sticky on this, but... 3/86 is albanian steel core, light ball, with a bullet diamete of .311 I believe. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-13-2008, 10:45 PM	#7
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 1,980 Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah, It is fun to try out different ammo. Most of the Albanian I've found (mainly at gunshows for $4 a bag of 20) looks like it was dug out of a corn field. I have come to like both Bulgarian and Czech heavy ball (although most of the time I shoot hand loaded). Both very consistant and accurate. Both mic out at .311 and a very good ogive length of 2.45" +-.05. ...and the Hungarian M44, where else can you buy one? $125 is probably not a bad price. I Still regret selling my 1953 Romanian. Last edited by Geo M44; 03-13-2008 at 10:47 PM.

03-14-2008, 03:48 PM	#10
texnmidwest Senior Bear Fluffer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 2,964 Trader Rating: (0)	Matching Hungarian M44s have a rarity scale of 4. Would be a good deal for 125. Maybe you could get him lower or throw in some ammo. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-14-2008, 05:01 PM	#12
texnmidwest Senior Bear Fluffer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 2,964 Trader Rating: (0)	Way to go R5! You are gonna love that rifle. It should shoot well too! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-13-2008, 09:53 PM	#2
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 1,980 Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah that looks like Albanian (bottom picture). What did they charge you?

03-13-2008, 10:04 PM	#3
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 402 Trader Rating: (0)	it was like $7.50 for a twenty pack. i know that's obscene, i just want to get a few different kinds of rounds to see what my gun likes. problem is, everything i've come across so far is heavy. any idea what the albanian bullet weight is? maybe i should pull one and get the triple beam scale out.

03-13-2008, 10:25 PM	#6
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 402 Trader Rating: (0)	i still got 200 rounds of the bulgy heavy. just testing the waters. any comments on the 53 hungarian m44? is $125 an okay deal on a hungarian?

03-14-2008, 10:55 AM	#9
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 402 Trader Rating: (0)	the numbers did match and didn't seem forced. i'm gonna have another look and am really thinking of owning it by the end of the weekend.

03-14-2008, 04:54 PM	#11
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 402 Trader Rating: (0)	LOL! while you were typing that, i was filling out the paperwork. it's official now. I HAVE MOSINITIS! i take delivery on the 25th. i'll post pics then. it is all matching numbers and in really good shape. the ten day wait is gonna kill me.

03-14-2008, 06:51 PM	#14
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,875 Trader Rating: (0)	I would agree. I would also bet most of what we are seeing now started out as a barreled receiver.. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-14-2008, 08:01 PM	#15
texnmidwest Senior Bear Fluffer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 2,964 Trader Rating: (0)	Does that mean they "Barreled" through life? __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-14-2008, 09:26 PM	#16
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 402 Trader Rating: (0)	thx for the correction, marion. i'm just glad to find one local that has some charact.r to it and hasn't been scrubbed of all it's history like my izzy with the squeaky clean stock, obviously sanded out and remarked bolt and lined out mag. it does have a tiny import mark on the barrel by the front sight but other than that, it looks like it was just taken from the hands of a hungarian soldier.

03-14-2008, 09:38 PM	#17
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,466 Trader Rating: (0)	Excellent find and a good deal to boot. Can you post pictures of your new M44 ? Thats the model I want...A.H

03-14-2008, 10:46 PM	#18
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 402 Trader Rating: (0)	we'll both have to wait till the 25th. there's a ten day waiting period on all guns in the peoples republik of kalifornia unless you have a c&r and a c.o.e. like we're all gonna. with an old bolt action rifle.

03-15-2008, 07:19 AM	#20
texnmidwest Senior Bear Fluffer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 2,964 Trader Rating: (0)	Marion, If I have wrong info I WANT to be corrected. Opinions debated, but facts please correct. So, there! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)