Disturbing report on Bulgarian spam can heavy ball ammo

Cyrano · 03-17-2008, 12:11 PM

I just got off the phone with the shop I buy a lot of my ammo from. I'd read about the Bulgarian spam cans J&G was selling for $43 each (although with shipping added in, although it costs less it's not much less than I pay for 50-packs of 7.62x54R heavy ball here for the same quantity of ammo). The owner said he bought two skids of the stuff, opened some of it for inspection and discovered the cans were rotten, not water and vapor-tight. The ammo inside was corroded. He rejected the shipment and sent it back to whoever he bought it from. (It wasn't J&G; they don't sell the 7.62x54R by the skid.)

Has anyone bought any of this Bulgarian ammo from J&G? If you did, what did you find when you finally got the can open? I don't want to have to deal with corroded, suspect ammunition; so before I place an order that will cost $30 to ship I want to have an idea of what I would be getting.

thebluesbox · 03-17-2008, 12:20 PM

I bought a can of bulgarian 300 from aimsurplus.com paid 40-50 what ever dollars. Can was sealed pretty tight and ammo inside looked good as new. I have not shot it yet Im going this week sometime for my first run, If I have any trouble I'll holler. But my initial inspection this ammo looks as good as it gets. All packed in individual 10ea wrappers tied up with some old string, dry as a bone and no corrotion.

Zephri · 03-17-2008, 12:23 PM

I bought one for about 50-60 dollars, The ammo was good as new and shot great.

Thepurplem0nkey · 03-17-2008, 03:01 PM

Like theblues, I bought a can fom aimsurplus and have had no problems with the ammo. I tlooked fresh off the assembly line.
-Thepurplem0nkey

troy2000 · 03-17-2008, 03:38 PM

I just bought some Friday. Only opened one can of the two, and I picked it first because the solder looked split on the lid. It was fine. I posted pic's on this thread:

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...j-g-sales.html (Ammo Run to J & G Sales)

Geo M44 · 03-17-2008, 04:11 PM

I'm pretty sure that J&G inspects their ammo when they receive it. they literally have a ton of it and don't want a 4th of July show in their ammo storage area. They have been in this business for quite a while and I'm sure they plan to stay that way.

If you are concerned call and ask.

marion57 · 03-17-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

I just got off the phone with the shop I buy a lot of my ammo from. I'd read about the Bulgarian spam cans J&G was selling for $43 each (although with shipping added in, although it costs less it's not much less than I pay for 50-packs of 7.62x54R heavy ball here for the same quantity of ammo). The owner said he bought two skids of the stuff, opened some of it for inspection and discovered the cans were rotten, not water and vapor-tight. The ammo inside was corroded. He rejected the shipment and sent it back to whoever he bought it from. (It wasn't J&G; they don't sell the 7.62x54R by the skid.)

Has anyone bought any of this Bulgarian ammo from J&G? If you did, what did you find when you finally got the can open? I don't want to have to deal with corroded, suspect ammunition; so before I place an order that will cost $30 to ship I want to have an idea of what I would be getting.

I bought 3 cans of 300 all good ammo light bulgarian ..You will be pleased at how good it looks for being in s sealed can

rondog · 03-17-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Thepurplem0nkey

Like theblues, I bought a can fom aimsurplus and have had no problems with the ammo. I tlooked fresh off the assembly line.
-Thepurplem0nkey

Same here. I just bought two cans from AIM, and they all look brand new! And one of the cans had been opened!

texnmidwest · 03-17-2008, 05:10 PM

Like above. I bought it. Shoot well. Looks good. Ordered more. I can't believe I shot most of it already! I had it less than a month. 300 rounds a month? Dang, that is almost....50 bucks a month on ammo!!

marion57 · 03-17-2008, 07:52 PM

and whats wrong with that TEX??????opps maybe I shouldnt talk about how much it cost to shoot wife dont know shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

billy · 03-17-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Like above. I bought it. Shoot well. Looks good. Ordered more. I can't believe I shot most of it already! I had it less than a month. 300 rounds a month? Dang, that is almost....50 bucks a month on ammo!!

50 bucks!?!
holy moly !
it's madness!

Geo M44 · 03-17-2008, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Like above. I bought it. Shoot well. Looks good. Ordered more. I can't believe I shot most of it already! I had it less than a month. 300 rounds a month? Dang, that is almost....50 bucks a month on ammo!!

But you are now the reincarnation of Vassili Zaitsev... (sorry Vassili)

There is probably a 12 step program that will help make it worse.

Tulamosin · 03-18-2008, 12:21 AM

I bought two cans of Bulgarian 7.62x54R from Sportsman's Guide and the ammo looks brand new. Those stinking cans were a pain in the arse to open though (the pull tabs snapped off).

SwedeSteve · 03-18-2008, 02:09 AM

Welome to G&G Tula! I bought 2 cans today. Opened perfectly, stunk pretty bad!
Damn Tuna...

troy2000 · 03-18-2008, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tulamosin

I bought two cans of Bulgarian 7.62x54R from Sportsman's Guide and the ammo looks brand new. Those stinking cans were a pain in the arse to open though (the pull tabs snapped off).

I think standard operating procedure is to snap the pull tabs off, grab the stub with a pair of needle-nosed pliers, and use them like the key on a sardine can; just start cranking around the can. Worked for me, anyway...except that my pull tab stayed put, so I grabbed it instead of the stub with the pliers.

marion57 · 03-18-2008, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo M44

But you are now the reincarnation of Vassili Zaitsev... (sorry Vassili)

There is probably a 12 step program that will help make it worse.

There is a program but he has to go to russia to take it LOL

just_a_car · 03-18-2008, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Welome to G&G Tula! I bought 2 cans today. Opened perfectly, stunk pretty bad!
Damn Tuna...

Olga, that packed it, must have left you a "special" present.

texnmidwest · 03-18-2008, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marion57

and whats wrong with that TEX??????opps maybe I shouldnt talk about how much it cost to shoot wife dont know shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Now, let's see now...if I am bragging then I would really be saying that I can shoot all day for a small sum.

If I am complaining then it would mean I need to get out and shoot more...

Dang, which one am I doing?????

You are right Billy. It is madness!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo M44

But you are now the reincarnation of Vassili Zaitsev... (sorry Vassili)

There is probably a 12 step program that will help make it worse.

I am not even worthy enough to carry his ammo pouch!

Dennis · 03-18-2008, 09:31 AM

It is the Cosmoline I tell ya...
I remember the copperwashed Chinese Ammo THAT was good stuff
186 grain boat tail 2860 fps steel core it would go through a car end through end including the engine block.
the VpZ 1988 Soviet heavy Ball was good stuff as well.
the silver tip light ball seems ok now a days. I havent shot the Bulgie stuff is it consistant?

Mike82 · 03-19-2008, 11:52 AM

1) the sealed tins i got opened fine by clamping down on ring/tab with vice-grips and rotating counter-clockwise, till it unsealed 3 sides, and popped open
2) they were dry inside, but they smelled aweful, lotsa handwashing to get smell off; also the white powder (meant to absorb any moisture i'd guess) gets annoying, i sneeze and room gets cloudy :P

03-17-2008, 12:11 PM	#1
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,298	Disturbing report on Bulgarian spam can heavy ball ammo I just got off the phone with the shop I buy a lot of my ammo from. I'd read about the Bulgarian spam cans J&G was selling for $43 each (although with shipping added in, although it costs less it's not much less than I pay for 50-packs of 7.62x54R heavy ball here for the same quantity of ammo). The owner said he bought two skids of the stuff, opened some of it for inspection and discovered the cans were rotten, not water and vapor-tight. The ammo inside was corroded. He rejected the shipment and sent it back to whoever he bought it from. (It wasn't J&G; they don't sell the 7.62x54R by the skid.) Has anyone bought any of this Bulgarian ammo from J&G? If you did, what did you find when you finally got the can open? I don't want to have to deal with corroded, suspect ammunition; so before I place an order that will cost $30 to ship I want to have an idea of what I would be getting.

03-17-2008, 12:23 PM	#3
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,088 Blog Entries: 6	I bought one for about 50-60 dollars, The ammo was good as new and shot great. __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!" http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/zephri/

03-17-2008, 03:38 PM	#5
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,412 Images: 9	I just bought some Friday. Only opened one can of the two, and I picked it first because the solder looked split on the lid. It was fine. I posted pic's on this thread: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...j-g-sales.html (Ammo Run to J & G Sales) __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

03-17-2008, 05:10 PM	#9
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,403	Like above. I bought it. Shoot well. Looks good. Ordered more. I can't believe I shot most of it already! I had it less than a month. 300 rounds a month? Dang, that is almost....50 bucks a month on ammo!! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-17-2008, 07:52 PM	#10
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,866	and whats wrong with that TEX??????opps maybe I shouldnt talk about how much it cost to shoot wife dont know shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston)

03-17-2008, 12:20 PM	#2
thebluesbox Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 95	I bought a can of bulgarian 300 from aimsurplus.com paid 40-50 what ever dollars. Can was sealed pretty tight and ammo inside looked good as new. I have not shot it yet Im going this week sometime for my first run, If I have any trouble I'll holler. But my initial inspection this ammo looks as good as it gets. All packed in individual 10ea wrappers tied up with some old string, dry as a bone and no corrotion.

03-17-2008, 03:01 PM	#4
Thepurplem0nkey Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 67	Like theblues, I bought a can fom aimsurplus and have had no problems with the ammo. I tlooked fresh off the assembly line. -Thepurplem0nkey

03-17-2008, 04:11 PM	#6
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,174	I'm pretty sure that J&G inspects their ammo when they receive it. they literally have a ton of it and don't want a 4th of July show in their ammo storage area. They have been in this business for quite a while and I'm sure they plan to stay that way. If you are concerned call and ask.

03-18-2008, 12:21 AM	#13
Tulamosin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Powder Springs, Georgia Posts: 101	I bought two cans of Bulgarian 7.62x54R from Sportsman's Guide and the ammo looks brand new. Those stinking cans were a pain in the arse to open though (the pull tabs snapped off).

03-18-2008, 02:09 AM	#14
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,306 Images: 1	Welome to G&G Tula! I bought 2 cans today. Opened perfectly, stunk pretty bad! Damn Tuna... __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-18-2008, 09:31 AM	#19
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	It is the Cosmoline I tell ya... I remember the copperwashed Chinese Ammo THAT was good stuff 186 grain boat tail 2860 fps steel core it would go through a car end through end including the engine block. the VpZ 1988 Soviet heavy Ball was good stuff as well. the silver tip light ball seems ok now a days. I havent shot the Bulgie stuff is it consistant? __________________ Submitted with respect to all

03-19-2008, 11:52 AM	#20
Mike82 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi USA Posts: 1,023 Images: 7	1) the sealed tins i got opened fine by clamping down on ring/tab with vice-grips and rotating counter-clockwise, till it unsealed 3 sides, and popped open 2) they were dry inside, but they smelled aweful, lotsa handwashing to get smell off; also the white powder (meant to absorb any moisture i'd guess) gets annoying, i sneeze and room gets cloudy :P __________________ No Trespassing! Violators Will Be Shot! Survivors Will Be Shot Again!