Long eye relief scopes

Pronsias · 03-20-2008, 10:02 PM

Hi all, I'm glad to find this forum. I'll just jump right in.

Does anyone have any experience with those long eye relief sights for Mosin Nagants? They replace the rear sights, and are probably less preferable to "real" scopes. However, I know next to nothing about machining and would rather not chop up my MN just to add a scope, so do the long eyes provide decent optics?

Would it be best to put it on a M91/30, or would one of the carbines still be decent with a scope?

Thank you.

bigbuddy21 · 03-20-2008, 10:06 PM

go to 7.62x54r.net you can find a lot of info there.
and if you go with a scout mount there is no machining or you dont even have to
take it to a gunsmith.

GlockMeister · 03-20-2008, 10:19 PM

I'm just popping in to say hello and welcome to the site Pronsias.

Geo M44 · 03-20-2008, 10:46 PM

Mounted correctly, LER scout scopes are a great (low cost) asset. I have been using a 2-7 x 32 for about 2 years. Once I got the mount right (and it really is simpler than it looks) I love it. With my less than great right eye eyesight it improved my on target and grouping by 100% at 100 yards.

Done correctly you will be able to not only cycle rounds easily, but load using stripper clips.

Welcome to the G&G Mosin board.

Pronsias · 03-20-2008, 11:29 PM

Thanks for the welcome and the info. I guess I'll try it at some point. Once my C&R goes through I will pick up another MN (or two) and start scoping.

R5CYA · 03-20-2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo M44

Mounted correctly, LER scout scopes are a great (low cost) asset. I have been using a 2-7 x 32 for about 2 years. Once I got the mount right (and it really is simpler than it looks) I love it. With my less than great right eye eyesight it improved my on target and grouping by 100% at 100 yards.

Done correctly you will be able to not only cycle rounds easily, but load using stripper clips.

Welcome to the G&G Mosin board.

who's mount did you install? i've got my eye on darrells, but it costs as much as my m44 did.

Geo M44 · 03-20-2008, 11:42 PM

Just the standard aluminum kit mount. I've found that the majority of people do it wrong (as I did the first time). Done right it works great.

tmfun · 03-21-2008, 02:11 AM

This is the one I put on my 91/30. Still waiting to take it out to play but installation was a breeze.
4X32 SCOPE W/ MOUNT FOR MOSIN NAGANT FITS M44 91 38 M28 - eBay (item 280196609350 end time Mar-29-08 12:01:30 PDT)

damage855 · 03-21-2008, 07:08 AM

I used a b-square mount and have a leupold scope on mine. works very well.

SwedeSteve · 03-21-2008, 07:12 AM

Welcome to G&G Pronsias!

marion57 · 03-21-2008, 08:08 AM

Pronsias
Welcome to G&G

Geo M44 · 03-21-2008, 08:34 AM

The scout scopes come in several flavors. tmfun chose the fixed focus 4x. But there is also a 4.5x and 2x-7x zoom. Illuminated reticles are also avaialble (but haven't seen the zoom version for a while). I like the zoom, but any of these LER scopes will work. They aren't Nikon or Leupold, but for ~$75 thew work fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by damage855

I used a b-square mount and have a leupold scope on mine. works very well.

Any photos of the beast?

damage855 · 03-22-2008, 06:18 AM

Geo M44 · 03-22-2008, 09:40 AM

Very nice. Thanks for the photo, it's always fun to see different setups.

Pronsias · 03-22-2008, 11:27 AM

Thanks for the links. I may buy from the ebay store tmfun linked to, although I might go for a 2-7x32. So all you need to do to remove the iron sight is to use a punch to remove the pins?

damage855 · 03-22-2008, 12:10 PM

It works well, I have seen one set up once where the guy removed to sight base then taped and mounted the scope rail where the rear sight was. Look real nice very low profile, if I had a little more metal working capabiltys I would give it a try just a little worried any time I drill into a gun.

Geo M44 · 03-22-2008, 12:22 PM

Yeah, I've thought about doing some minor "smithing" as well, but actually the current shooting position is pretty comfortable, and I typically do things spontaneously, so I have a bunch of other projects that need attention first (like cleaning the new M39, and final finishing a Richards stock that I've had now for 8 months).

Ellsworth · 03-22-2008, 02:23 PM

I have a New Century Arms, 2-7 X 32 LER scope, I love it, me and GEO have about the same set up, with the "cheaper" rear site mount and the LER, if you get the cheaper "Ebay" type mount you have to use some lock tite to reduce the raddle on all of the screws but after you get them real tight they work fine. I haven't cut the mount down yet because it's a lot of hassle. I almost prefer my LER because it's realitively cheap and has a huge field of view.

Hope that helps,
Ellsworth

SwedeSteve · 03-22-2008, 02:46 PM

What's a huge field of view?

Ellsworth · 03-24-2008, 12:42 AM

matter of opinion but 14 feet at 7x32 is pretty sweet for me.

03-20-2008, 10:02 PM	#1
Pronsias Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NV Posts: 57 Trader Rating: (0)	Long eye relief scopes Hi all, I'm glad to find this forum. I'll just jump right in. Does anyone have any experience with those long eye relief sights for Mosin Nagants? They replace the rear sights, and are probably less preferable to "real" scopes. However, I know next to nothing about machining and would rather not chop up my MN just to add a scope, so do the long eyes provide decent optics? Would it be best to put it on a M91/30, or would one of the carbines still be decent with a scope? Thank you.

03-20-2008, 10:06 PM	#2
bigbuddy21 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: new albany in. Posts: 965 Trader Rating: (0)	go to 7.62x54r.net you can find a lot of info there. and if you go with a scout mount there is no machining or you dont even have to take it to a gunsmith. __________________ LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!

03-20-2008, 10:19 PM	#3
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,961 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm just popping in to say hello and welcome to the site Pronsias. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-21-2008, 07:08 AM	#9
damage855 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina / Lake Norman Posts: 889 Trader Rating: (0)	I used a b-square mount and have a leupold scope on mine. works very well. __________________ If total goverment control will make us all safer, then why are prisons so dangerous?

03-21-2008, 07:12 AM	#10
SwedeSteve Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 9,172 Trader Rating: (0)	Welcome to G&G Pronsias! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-20-2008, 10:46 PM	#4
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,031 Trader Rating: (0)	Mounted correctly, LER scout scopes are a great (low cost) asset. I have been using a 2-7 x 32 for about 2 years. Once I got the mount right (and it really is simpler than it looks) I love it. With my less than great right eye eyesight it improved my on target and grouping by 100% at 100 yards. Done correctly you will be able to not only cycle rounds easily, but load using stripper clips. Welcome to the G&G Mosin board.

03-20-2008, 11:29 PM	#5
Pronsias Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NV Posts: 57 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks for the welcome and the info. I guess I'll try it at some point. Once my C&R goes through I will pick up another MN (or two) and start scoping.

03-20-2008, 11:42 PM	#7
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,031 Trader Rating: (0)	Just the standard aluminum kit mount. I've found that the majority of people do it wrong (as I did the first time). Done right it works great.

03-21-2008, 02:11 AM	#8
tmfun Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 69 Trader Rating: (0)	This is the one I put on my 91/30. Still waiting to take it out to play but installation was a breeze. 4X32 SCOPE W/ MOUNT FOR MOSIN NAGANT FITS M44 91 38 M28 - eBay (item 280196609350 end time Mar-29-08 12:01:30 PDT)

03-21-2008, 08:08 AM	#11
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,697 Trader Rating: (0)	Pronsias Welcome to G&G __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston)

03-22-2008, 06:18 AM	#13
damage855 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina / Lake Norman Posts: 889 Trader Rating: (0)	__________________ If total goverment control will make us all safer, then why are prisons so dangerous?

03-22-2008, 09:40 AM	#14
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,031 Trader Rating: (0)	Very nice. Thanks for the photo, it's always fun to see different setups.

03-22-2008, 11:27 AM	#15
Pronsias Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NV Posts: 57 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks for the links. I may buy from the ebay store tmfun linked to, although I might go for a 2-7x32. So all you need to do to remove the iron sight is to use a punch to remove the pins?

03-22-2008, 12:10 PM	#16
damage855 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina / Lake Norman Posts: 889 Trader Rating: (0)	It works well, I have seen one set up once where the guy removed to sight base then taped and mounted the scope rail where the rear sight was. Look real nice very low profile, if I had a little more metal working capabiltys I would give it a try just a little worried any time I drill into a gun. __________________ If total goverment control will make us all safer, then why are prisons so dangerous?

03-22-2008, 12:22 PM	#17
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,031 Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah, I've thought about doing some minor "smithing" as well, but actually the current shooting position is pretty comfortable, and I typically do things spontaneously, so I have a bunch of other projects that need attention first (like cleaning the new M39, and final finishing a Richards stock that I've had now for 8 months).

03-22-2008, 02:23 PM	#18
Ellsworth Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cheney, Washington Posts: 108 Trader Rating: (0)	I have a New Century Arms, 2-7 X 32 LER scope, I love it, me and GEO have about the same set up, with the "cheaper" rear site mount and the LER, if you get the cheaper "Ebay" type mount you have to use some lock tite to reduce the raddle on all of the screws but after you get them real tight they work fine. I haven't cut the mount down yet because it's a lot of hassle. I almost prefer my LER because it's realitively cheap and has a huge field of view. Hope that helps, Ellsworth

03-22-2008, 02:46 PM	#19
SwedeSteve Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 9,172 Trader Rating: (0)	What's a huge field of view? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-24-2008, 12:42 AM	#20
Ellsworth Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cheney, Washington Posts: 108 Trader Rating: (0)	matter of opinion but 14 feet at 7x32 is pretty sweet for me.