Problem with a Tokerov SVT-40

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-01-2008, 04:06 AM

I have a Tokerov SVT-40 and after shooting about 40 rounds of 7.62x54R it goes into 2x4. Anybody else ever have this problem? I know its not a Mosin but its darn close.

SwedeSteve · 04-01-2008, 07:31 AM

I'm assuming you mean it is jamming up on you? What kind of ammo are you using?

GlockMeister · 04-01-2008, 07:37 AM

Yea, what do you mean by goes into 2X4? Turns into a piece of wood? lol JK. But seriously, what exactly do you mean by that?

And maybe we should have a sticky for all the abbreviated and slang terms everyone tends to use. lol

jmp8927 · 04-01-2008, 07:45 AM

I think what he means is the bolt sticks and it would take a 2x4 to get it open. Perhaps a dirty chamber?

SwedeSteve · 04-01-2008, 07:47 AM

Well, the SVT-40 has some inherent design flaws, and a few are ammo specific. Hence my question!

squirrelbaster · 04-01-2008, 09:05 AM

i cant help with the problem, i just wanted to tell you how encredably jealous i am that you have one!!! that is my dream gun! i want one sooooo bad.......flaws and all. you area lucky man.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-01-2008, 10:30 PM

It means it takes a 2x4 to get it open. Thats what we have always called it. I have cleaned the chamber every time I shoot it. Then for the first 40 its ok again. Im using Russian mil surp ammo. I have also tried chex ammo and some crap that the cases seperated. But it doesnt matter after 40 or so it just goes into 2x4.

just_a_car · 04-01-2008, 11:02 PM

I had heard somewhere that the Russians started to go to the SVT-40 and then had so many issues with the semi-auto action messing up with the rimmed cartridge that they went back to the Mosin Nagant and abandoned the SVT-40. Which, I think is a real shame since it's such a pretty-lookin' rifle.

I guess it took until the debut of the Dragunov SVD for them to perfect the semi-auto action with the rimmed cartridge.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-07-2008, 12:35 AM

Well if anyone has a SVT-40 and can tell me if they have any problems with theirs Id like to hear it. You guys seriously never heard 2x4 before eh? We use it for anything that is locked up and shouldnt be. I dont actually use a 2x4 on the rifle btw.

Geo M44 · 04-07-2008, 01:06 AM

Nope the MN guys know the 2x4 method. Usually taking a 12GA brush to the breech cures it.

Parrothead · 04-07-2008, 01:41 AM

Darn you - I'd never heard about one of these before and now I want one!

just_a_car · 04-07-2008, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo M44

Nope the MN guys know the 2x4 method. Usually taking a 12GA brush to the breech cures it.

Yeah, but we call it "Sticky Bolt Syndrome".

texnmidwest · 04-07-2008, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

Im using Russian mil surp ammo. I have also tried chex ammo .... But it doesnt matter after 40 or so it just goes into 2x4.

Chex ammo? Well, thar's yore problem! That Chex ammo has sugar mixed in. Sugar caramelizes when the chamber heats up.

I know, I know, he meant Czech but I couldn't resist.

Seriously though, another way to do it is to blow the chamber out with gun scrubber or brake cleaner. Careful not to get it on any finished parts but that will take any residual cosmolene or other gunk out of the chamber and mechanism.

allan1898 · 04-08-2008, 04:33 PM

Mine won't shoot the Czech at all. Bolt gets about half-way open, then STICKS! Wolf works ok (copper washed steel case), as does any brass cased ammo. I was surprised that the lacquered steel case stuck so thoroughly since the chamber is fluted to aid in extraction, but the stuff sticks in all my Nagants. I suspect that I may have gotten some with more lacquer than usual?

sh4d0ww4rri0r · 04-08-2008, 05:00 PM

what do you call a czechslovkian abortion?

A canceled check!

......

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-23-2008, 09:52 AM

All right finally found the answer I really needed. I have been shooting this Rifle for years. There was no such thing as a manual for it. They are very hard to find. I figured out how to dissassemble and clean this on my own. I have had the above problem the entire time I was shooting this Rifle. No matter how well I cleaned the rifle, and the chamber, it 2x4'ed after about 40 rds. Now I find out all I have to do is change the setting on the gas system. The gas system has different settings on it and I should have been shooting it on 1.5.

Cyrano · 04-23-2008, 10:46 AM

Capt'n, tell us more about this gas system and how to set it, please. As you said, manuals for the SVT-40 don't exist. If you know how to fix this problem for sure, and it sounds like you may, you may want to write a separate posting on How To Fix The SVT-40 Gas System To Solve Sticky Bolt Problems and send it to Chris or Big Dog or another moderator and ask them to consider it for a sticky.

If you don't think you can write it clearly enough, send me a private message with the proposed post and I'd be happy to alpha-read and edit it for clarity and zap it back to you for your approval/rewrite before you send it on to the moderators. (I'm the guy who wrote the sticky on Cosmoline removal, if you want to see what I mean.) This is the kind of knowledge that needs to be shared. (Besides, I might come across one I can afford to buy someday!)

Mosin Shooter · 04-23-2008, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

I have a Tokerov SVT-40 and after shooting about 40 rounds of 7.62x54R it goes into 2x4. Anybody else ever have this problem? I know its not a Mosin but its darn close.

If you get pissed off at it and decide to sell it, I'll take it. I'd like to get one for reenactments.

marion57 · 04-23-2008, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Chex ammo? Well, thar's yore problem! That Chex ammo has sugar mixed in. Sugar caramelizes when the chamber heats up.

I know, I know, he meant Czech but I couldn't resist.

Seriously though, another way to do it is to blow the chamber out with gun scrubber or brake cleaner. Careful not to get it on any finished parts but that will take any residual cosmolene or other gunk out of the chamber and mechanism.

He he good to see your sense of humor still works LOL

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-23-2008, 05:01 PM

I never used brake cleaner on a rifle. Will brake cleaner take blueing off as well?

04-01-2008, 04:06 AM	#1
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,058 Trader Rating: (0)	Problem with a Tokerov SVT-40 I have a Tokerov SVT-40 and after shooting about 40 rounds of 7.62x54R it goes into 2x4. Anybody else ever have this problem? I know its not a Mosin but its darn close.

04-01-2008, 07:31 AM	#2
SwedeSteve Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm assuming you mean it is jamming up on you? What kind of ammo are you using? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers Last edited by SwedeSteve; 04-01-2008 at 07:34 AM.

04-01-2008, 07:37 AM	#3
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,943 Trader Rating: (0)	Yea, what do you mean by goes into 2X4? Turns into a piece of wood? lol JK. But seriously, what exactly do you mean by that? And maybe we should have a sticky for all the abbreviated and slang terms everyone tends to use. lol __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

04-01-2008, 07:45 AM	#4
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 1,103 Trader Rating: (0)	I think what he means is the bolt sticks and it would take a 2x4 to get it open. Perhaps a dirty chamber? __________________ Doing the unexpected makes the unexpected the expected and thus the expected becomes the unexpected.

04-01-2008, 07:47 AM	#5
SwedeSteve Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (0)	Well, the SVT-40 has some inherent design flaws, and a few are ammo specific. Hence my question! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-01-2008, 09:05 AM	#6
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,072 Trader Rating: (0)	i cant help with the problem, i just wanted to tell you how encredably jealous i am that you have one!!! that is my dream gun! i want one sooooo bad.......flaws and all. you area lucky man. __________________ "My Shotgun SAYS I AM the POLICE !"--Mooseman684 "I like Turtles!" youtube kid

04-01-2008, 10:30 PM	#7
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,058 Trader Rating: (0)	It means it takes a 2x4 to get it open. Thats what we have always called it. I have cleaned the chamber every time I shoot it. Then for the first 40 its ok again. Im using Russian mil surp ammo. I have also tried chex ammo and some crap that the cases seperated. But it doesnt matter after 40 or so it just goes into 2x4.

04-01-2008, 11:02 PM	#8
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,414 Trader Rating: (0)	I had heard somewhere that the Russians started to go to the SVT-40 and then had so many issues with the semi-auto action messing up with the rimmed cartridge that they went back to the Mosin Nagant and abandoned the SVT-40. Which, I think is a real shame since it's such a pretty-lookin' rifle. I guess it took until the debut of the Dragunov SVD for them to perfect the semi-auto action with the rimmed cartridge. __________________

04-07-2008, 12:35 AM	#9
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,058 Trader Rating: (0)	Well if anyone has a SVT-40 and can tell me if they have any problems with theirs Id like to hear it. You guys seriously never heard 2x4 before eh? We use it for anything that is locked up and shouldnt be. I dont actually use a 2x4 on the rifle btw. Last edited by Capt'n Mil Coll; 04-07-2008 at 04:03 AM.

04-07-2008, 01:06 AM	#10
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,023 Trader Rating: (0)	Nope the MN guys know the 2x4 method. Usually taking a 12GA brush to the breech cures it.

04-07-2008, 01:41 AM	#11
Parrothead Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 136 Trader Rating: (0)	Darn you - I'd never heard about one of these before and now I want one!

04-08-2008, 04:33 PM	#14
allan1898 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 110 Trader Rating: (0)	Mine won't shoot the Czech at all. Bolt gets about half-way open, then STICKS! Wolf works ok (copper washed steel case), as does any brass cased ammo. I was surprised that the lacquered steel case stuck so thoroughly since the chamber is fluted to aid in extraction, but the stuff sticks in all my Nagants. I suspect that I may have gotten some with more lacquer than usual?

04-08-2008, 05:00 PM	#15
sh4d0ww4rri0r Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 186 Trader Rating: (0)	what do you call a czechslovkian abortion? A canceled check! ......

04-23-2008, 09:52 AM	#16
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,058 Trader Rating: (0)	All right finally found the answer I really needed. I have been shooting this Rifle for years. There was no such thing as a manual for it. They are very hard to find. I figured out how to dissassemble and clean this on my own. I have had the above problem the entire time I was shooting this Rifle. No matter how well I cleaned the rifle, and the chamber, it 2x4'ed after about 40 rds. Now I find out all I have to do is change the setting on the gas system. The gas system has different settings on it and I should have been shooting it on 1.5. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-23-2008, 10:46 AM	#17
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,959 Trader Rating: (0)	Capt'n, tell us more about this gas system and how to set it, please. As you said, manuals for the SVT-40 don't exist. If you know how to fix this problem for sure, and it sounds like you may, you may want to write a separate posting on How To Fix The SVT-40 Gas System To Solve Sticky Bolt Problems and send it to Chris or Big Dog or another moderator and ask them to consider it for a sticky. If you don't think you can write it clearly enough, send me a private message with the proposed post and I'd be happy to alpha-read and edit it for clarity and zap it back to you for your approval/rewrite before you send it on to the moderators. (I'm the guy who wrote the sticky on Cosmoline removal, if you want to see what I mean.) This is the kind of knowledge that needs to be shared. (Besides, I might come across one I can afford to buy someday!)

04-23-2008, 05:01 PM	#20
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,058 Trader Rating: (0)	I never used brake cleaner on a rifle. Will brake cleaner take blueing off as well? __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!