M38

Scoutmaster · 04-14-2008, 06:20 PM

I got a new camera so I had to take some photos of something. I don't think I ever took any of my 1943 Mosin Nagant M38 so I thought I'd share them. I picked it up at a gun show a few years back for $60.00. It's one of the few I've seen with a laminated stock made for the M38.
Don

sh4d0ww4rri0r · 04-14-2008, 06:29 PM

That is beautiful....

marion57 · 04-14-2008, 06:31 PM

Its a really nice looking rifle ! +1 welcome to G&G in case I didnt catch your previous posts..
The stock on your rifel is a M44 stock , not uncomon for a M38 and was probably done at refurb.. As I have said before it is possible that it was built at the origonally factory building but with lammy stock it isnt likely
It sure doesnt take away from the beauty of the weapon for sure

squirrelbaster · 04-14-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by marion57

Its a really nice looking rifle ! +1 welcome to G&G in case I didnt catch your previous posts..
The stock on your rifel is a M44 stock , not uncomon for a M38 and was probably done at refurb.. As I have said before it is possible that it was built at the origonally factory building but with lammy stock it isnt likely
It sure doesnt take away from the beauty of the weapon for sure

i was thinkin it was a m44 stock, wanted someone else to say it first.

its still great lookin! and not a bad thing. my M38 has a m44 stock on it aswell. but not anywhere near as nice as your stock.

googledotcom24 · 04-14-2008, 06:53 PM

nice!!
yours is lighter than mine...
but it sure is pretty!

Scoutmaster · 04-14-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by marion57

The stock on your rifel is a M44 stock , not uncomon for a M38 and was probably done at refurb..

My bad! I had thought the M44 had a cut out for the folding bayonet and didn't think this was the same. I'll have to take a closer look at the next M44 I see.
Thanks,
Don

marion57 · 04-14-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoutmaster

My bad! I had thought the M44 had a cut out for the folding bayonet and didn't think this was the same. I'll have to take a closer look at the next M44 I see.
Thanks,
Don

Don
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Scoutmaster · 04-15-2008, 05:43 AM

These two images are from 7.62X54r.net. Looking at both of these stocks side by side, I can't see a difference. Obviously the bayonet gives away the M44, but the stocks alone appear the same unless I'm missing something on them.

Here's a good comparison photo. Mine was made in 1943 and has receiver markings showing it to have been made at Izhevsk, but mine has a wrist bolt which the pictured 1943 M38 does not have.
Don

marion57 · 04-15-2008, 08:11 AM

If you look at the stock from the top look at the bolt side and compare it to the other side !! you will find a thinner bolt side on a m44 where the bayo sets

if both sides are same thickness it is a M38 stock..
the cut out will be right behind the rear barrel band
I hope that helps

Geo M44 · 04-15-2008, 08:18 AM

Many of the original M38's and early M44's did not have the rear barrel band indent on the stock. We were debating this issue recently. If I'm not mistaken (and that is a possibility) laminated stocks were used due to a shortage of solid birch blanks late in WWII.

Pictured are left: a 1944 M44 tula (original stock) and right: a late (1943) M38 Izzy. Notice there is no barrel band indent on the Tula, and idealy the same stock (without the bayo clearance) should be on the M38.

SwedeSteve · 04-15-2008, 08:36 AM

You know, it sure looks like a 44 stock! But with my eyes I can't tell for sure or not if what I am looking at isn't just a laminate "line" where the groove would be!

marion57 · 04-15-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

You know, it sure looks like a 44 stock! But with my eyes I can't tell for sure or not if what I am looking at isn't just a laminate "line" where the groove would be!

I had to quit looking at it because now I am not sure the lighting may be fooling us

I think he will have to look and see if it has a bayo groove.. the top picture sure looks like mine does but its a birch stock

SwedeSteve · 04-15-2008, 08:56 AM

Yep me too, LOL! I was thinking if the groove was there, Scoutmaster would see it right off.

marion57 · 04-15-2008, 09:08 AM

some of use would but if he isnt knowlegable on m38 he may not know..
I would love to see a closer look up by the barrel band!!

SwedeSteve · 04-15-2008, 09:13 AM

Yep, maybe front sight to rear sight pic would help!

Scoutmaster · 04-15-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by marion57

If you look at the stock from the top look at the bolt side and compare it to the other side !! you will find a thinner bolt side on a m44 where the bayo sets

if both sides are same thickness it is a M38 stock..
the cut out will be right behind the rear barrel band
I hope that helps

Thanks, that sure does help. The bolt side is actually a little thicker if anything. It appears to be the same as a 1944 Tula M38 stock however has the receiver markings indicating it's Izhevsk origins. Probably a re-arsenaled swap out?
Don

SwedeSteve · 04-15-2008, 11:10 AM

Not necessarily! A pic of the stock from front sight to rear sight on the right side would clear it up I think.

Scoutmaster · 04-15-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

A pic of the stock from front sight to rear sight on the right side would clear it up I think.

I hope this helps a bit.
Don

marion57 · 04-15-2008, 06:14 PM

in the top pic is it dished at the top of the stock behind the barrel band ??

googledotcom24 · 04-15-2008, 06:29 PM

it looks like it...
i think it is a m44 stock.

on the m44 there is a small bit cut off where the bayonet would go.
it looks like there is one there.

04-14-2008, 06:20 PM	#1
Scoutmaster Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania Posts: 39	M38 I got a new camera so I had to take some photos of something. I don't think I ever took any of my 1943 Mosin Nagant M38 so I thought I'd share them. I picked it up at a gun show a few years back for $60.00. It's one of the few I've seen with a laminated stock made for the M38. Don

04-14-2008, 06:31 PM	#3
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,880	Its a really nice looking rifle ! +1 welcome to G&G in case I didnt catch your previous posts.. The stock on your rifel is a M44 stock , not uncomon for a M38 and was probably done at refurb.. As I have said before it is possible that it was built at the origonally factory building but with lammy stock it isnt likely It sure doesnt take away from the beauty of the weapon for sure __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston)

04-15-2008, 05:43 AM	#8
Scoutmaster Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania Posts: 39	These two images are from 7.62X54r.net. Looking at both of these stocks side by side, I can't see a difference. Obviously the bayonet gives away the M44, but the stocks alone appear the same unless I'm missing something on them. Here's a good comparison photo. Mine was made in 1943 and has receiver markings showing it to have been made at Izhevsk, but mine has a wrist bolt which the pictured 1943 M38 does not have. Don Last edited by Scoutmaster; 04-15-2008 at 06:05 AM.

04-15-2008, 08:11 AM	#9
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,880	If you look at the stock from the top look at the bolt side and compare it to the other side !! you will find a thinner bolt side on a m44 where the bayo sets if both sides are same thickness it is a M38 stock.. the cut out will be right behind the rear barrel band I hope that helps __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston) Last edited by marion57; 04-15-2008 at 08:14 AM.

04-15-2008, 08:36 AM	#11
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	You know, it sure looks like a 44 stock! But with my eyes I can't tell for sure or not if what I am looking at isn't just a laminate "line" where the groove would be! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-14-2008, 06:29 PM	#2
sh4d0ww4rri0r Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 186	That is beautiful....

04-14-2008, 06:53 PM	#5
googledotcom24 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 21	nice!! yours is lighter than mine... but it sure is pretty!

04-15-2008, 08:56 AM	#13
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	Yep me too, LOL! I was thinking if the groove was there, Scoutmaster would see it right off. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-15-2008, 09:08 AM	#14
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,880	some of use would but if he isnt knowlegable on m38 he may not know.. I would love to see a closer look up by the barrel band!! __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston)

04-15-2008, 09:13 AM	#15
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	Yep, maybe front sight to rear sight pic would help! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-15-2008, 11:10 AM	#17
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	Not necessarily! A pic of the stock from front sight to rear sight on the right side would clear it up I think. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-15-2008, 06:14 PM	#19
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,880	in the top pic is it dished at the top of the stock behind the barrel band ?? __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston)

04-15-2008, 06:29 PM	#20
googledotcom24 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 21	it looks like it... i think it is a m44 stock. on the m44 there is a small bit cut off where the bayonet would go. it looks like there is one there.