m39 question

zino · 04-23-2008, 12:50 AM

Do the Finnish m39's have the 2 stage military trigger?

Mooseman684 · 04-23-2008, 01:00 AM

Mine do...

zino · 04-23-2008, 01:11 AM

What would be your stock preference, war or post war, condition being about equal.

SwedeSteve · 04-23-2008, 09:07 AM

I like the pistol grip, but that is just personal preference.

Geo M44 · 04-23-2008, 09:12 AM

Ditto to Steves reply. But if they all look like mine, it doesn't much matter. Certainly a looker.

In fact I like the standard issue Russian stocks once they are cleaned up.

SwedeSteve · 04-25-2008, 07:03 AM

I've always admired good wood on a rifle. While the Mosin's can be plain, there are still some nice ones!

M39SKY · 04-25-2008, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zino

Do the Finnish m39's have the 2 stage military trigger?

They don't. It's a long creep then a snap. This makes them feel like they have two stage. Even regular 91/30 can be made like this with a little playing and polishing.

SwedeSteve · 04-25-2008, 12:22 PM

Wrongo! What you are describing is a 2 stage trigger. And you don't need to play with a regular M91/30 either, it already has the 2 stage trigger as well.

Mooseman684 · 04-25-2008, 12:24 PM

M39SKY...I hate to tell you but THAT is a 2 stage trigger !!
If it has slack with little or no Resistance to a point that you take up and then pull against the resistance to fire, It is 2 Stage Pure and simple.
If when cocked there is no slack, it is single stage !
Rich

M39SKY · 04-25-2008, 12:37 PM

Hmm. I was under the impression that a two-stage trigger has something to do with the mechanism (like that of K-31, Mauser 98). And no Mosin variety has one. So, it's about that slack? I'm learning more each day. Thanks.

Cyrano · 04-25-2008, 01:58 PM

Thanks for clearing that up, Moose. I was wondering why Natasha's trigger pull felt so long, yet had such a crisp let-off. It felt like a two-stage, but I didn't think the Soviets went in for that for rifles meant to be used in the line.

sh4d0ww4rri0r · 04-25-2008, 02:01 PM

What are the advantages of a two stage trigger?

Geo M44 · 04-25-2008, 02:01 PM

Another welcomed pearl of information.

Thanks steve and moose... once again.

Mooseman684 · 04-25-2008, 02:03 PM

A two stage trigger has two definite stages, first, a "take-up" stage, and then a "release" stage. This is usually accomplished either by the configuration of the trigger cam, which contacts the sear, as on military rifles, or separate spring adjustments for the two stages, as on target guns. The benefit of two stage triggers is that you can take up the first stage, hold, and then follow through with the shot, when the sight picture look right. The perceived weight of the firing stage, being the difference between the two stages, is lighter than the actual weight of pull.What's great about two-stage triggers is that it lets you get your grip settled, including how your index finger is positioned on the trigger without having to worry that you might fire the gun before you mean to.
With a light single-stage trigger, I always have to be careful of as I bring my finger onto the trigger. The problem is that, by definition, your finger is moving as you bring it onto the trigger. With a two-stage trigger, you can settle out all the movement in that take-up stage so that when you reach the second stage, you can be very still and only have to move your finger just a tiny bit to fire the gun. I find I have much more control that way.

Rich

SwedeSteve · 04-25-2008, 03:04 PM

R5CYA · 04-25-2008, 03:24 PM

i like mine better after i shimmed it and took most of the first stage away.

04-23-2008, 12:50 AM	#1
zino Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 31	m39 question Do the Finnish m39's have the 2 stage military trigger?

04-23-2008, 01:00 AM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,601 Images: 2	Mine do... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-23-2008, 09:07 AM	#4
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,659 Images: 1	I like the pistol grip, but that is just personal preference. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-23-2008, 09:12 AM	#5
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,407	Ditto to Steves reply. But if they all look like mine, it doesn't much matter. Certainly a looker. In fact I like the standard issue Russian stocks once they are cleaned up. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

04-25-2008, 07:03 AM	#6
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,659 Images: 1	I've always admired good wood on a rifle. While the Mosin's can be plain, there are still some nice ones! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-23-2008, 01:11 AM	#3
zino Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 31	What would be your stock preference, war or post war, condition being about equal.

04-25-2008, 12:22 PM	#8
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,659 Images: 1	Wrongo! What you are describing is a 2 stage trigger. And you don't need to play with a regular M91/30 either, it already has the 2 stage trigger as well. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers Last edited by SwedeSteve; 04-25-2008 at 12:31 PM.

04-25-2008, 12:24 PM	#9
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,601 Images: 2	M39SKY...I hate to tell you but THAT is a 2 stage trigger !! If it has slack with little or no Resistance to a point that you take up and then pull against the resistance to fire, It is 2 Stage Pure and simple. If when cocked there is no slack, it is single stage ! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-25-2008, 12:37 PM	#10
M39SKY Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 34	Hmm. I was under the impression that a two-stage trigger has something to do with the mechanism (like that of K-31, Mauser 98). And no Mosin variety has one. So, it's about that slack? I'm learning more each day. Thanks.

04-25-2008, 01:58 PM	#11
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 3,058	Thanks for clearing that up, Moose. I was wondering why Natasha's trigger pull felt so long, yet had such a crisp let-off. It felt like a two-stage, but I didn't think the Soviets went in for that for rifles meant to be used in the line.

04-25-2008, 02:01 PM	#12
sh4d0ww4rri0r Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 186	What are the advantages of a two stage trigger?

04-25-2008, 02:01 PM	#13
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,407	Another welcomed pearl of information. Thanks steve and moose... once again. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

04-25-2008, 02:03 PM	#14
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,601 Images: 2	A two stage trigger has two definite stages, first, a "take-up" stage, and then a "release" stage. This is usually accomplished either by the configuration of the trigger cam, which contacts the sear, as on military rifles, or separate spring adjustments for the two stages, as on target guns. The benefit of two stage triggers is that you can take up the first stage, hold, and then follow through with the shot, when the sight picture look right. The perceived weight of the firing stage, being the difference between the two stages, is lighter than the actual weight of pull.What's great about two-stage triggers is that it lets you get your grip settled, including how your index finger is positioned on the trigger without having to worry that you might fire the gun before you mean to. With a light single-stage trigger, I always have to be careful of as I bring my finger onto the trigger. The problem is that, by definition, your finger is moving as you bring it onto the trigger. With a two-stage trigger, you can settle out all the movement in that take-up stage so that when you reach the second stage, you can be very still and only have to move your finger just a tiny bit to fire the gun. I find I have much more control that way. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-25-2008, 03:04 PM	#15
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,659 Images: 1	+1 __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-25-2008, 03:24 PM	#16
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 762	i like mine better after i shimmed it and took most of the first stage away. __________________ tighten it till it strips and back off a half turn.