1891???

texnmidwest · 05-15-2008, 07:13 AM

OK, I was looking at a rifle that has me puzzled. I wish I had pictures of it but did not have a camera with me. It was Billed as and for all intents a purposes looked like an old 1891. Hex receiver, longer barrel than 91/30, correct front sight for an 1891, curved and stepped rear sight, etc. The part that didn't makes sense was the receiver. The markings were Izzy and the date of mfr. was 1944. RED FLAG! I thought they quit making 1891's in 26. Am I wrong here? The stock was pretty beat up and it looked more weathered than most I see. No finn markings either.

Has anyone else ran across a true 1891 that has that date?

SwedeSteve · 05-15-2008, 09:33 AM

Are you talking about the tang date?
M91's were made from 1893-1925 or thereabouts.

texnmidwest · 05-15-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Are you talking about the tang date?
M91's were made from 1893-1925 or thereabouts.

The date on the receiver just in front of the hex part. Looked similar to the below. Just did not fit with the rest of the rifle. I think someone rebarreled it.

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Big Dog · 05-15-2008, 06:03 PM

Check the tang date to be sure. I would expect, if the Soviets refurbed it, they would've built it to M91/30 specs.
Wonder what this rifle's story is?

SwedeSteve · 05-15-2008, 06:25 PM

^Exactamundo

Capt'n Mil Coll · 05-15-2008, 06:55 PM

Its a Mosin Mystery.

SwedeSteve · 05-15-2008, 07:14 PM

Well I don't think its a pure M91. I think if you measure the OAL you'll find it's a M91 refitted with M91/30 barrel.

texnmidwest · 05-15-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Well I don't think its a pure M91. I think if you measure the OAL you'll find it's a M91 refitted with M91/30 barrel.

I want to go look at the rifle again. I think you are right there Steve, but the front sight is not a glove but a 91 sight. I'll have to take another look.

tex.

SwedeSteve · 05-15-2008, 08:05 PM

The front sights are interchangeable Tex.

texnmidwest · 05-15-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

The front sights are interchangeable Tex.

OK, that makes sense then. I forgot about that fact. The rifle was laid side by side with a true 91/30 and the rifle was a couple inches longer. I forgot about that fact. I just gotta go look at that rifle again. This dog just don't hunt!

marion57 · 05-16-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

OK, that makes sense then. I forgot about that fact. The rifle was laid side by side with a true 91/30 and the rifle was a couple inches longer. I forgot about that fact. I just gotta go look at that rifle again. This dog just don't hunt!

something strange on this one

SwedeSteve · 05-16-2008, 11:28 AM

It will be interesting to find out.

sean46953 · 05-16-2008, 12:00 PM

I have to agree that some one else has thrown a newer barrel on it. If it would have been me that done that though, I woud l have kept the original barrel and sent it away wth the rifle too, just for the fect that it was the original to that M91. But that's just me.

SwedeSteve · 05-16-2008, 12:15 PM

You have to remember that the Russians were constantly refurbishing/recycling their rifles. To put an old M91 with a bad bore back into service by adding a new 91/30 makes sense. The M91/59 is also a smart idea as well as the Czech M91/38.

Geo M44 · 05-16-2008, 06:25 PM

Wow... AIM has some interesting offerings in 1891 Finns...

Wish I had some money.

Read em and weep.

AIM Finnish "SA" Marked 1891 Mosin Nagant Rifles Finnish "SA" Marked 1891 Mosin Nagant Rifles

troy2000 · 05-16-2008, 07:58 PM

The Rumanians put together some pretty weird mish-mashes when they were handing out "instructee" Mosins; they were hoping that if the Soviets rolled in, an armed civilian populace could slow them down long enough to get the West involved. So they cobbled together anything that could be made to fire. For example, mine is a round-receiver 91/30, but it has an m91 front sight on it.

Is there any indication it ever had a red stripe painted on the buttstock, or the word instructee stamped or carved into it?

texnmidwest · 05-16-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Geo M44

Wow... AIM has some interesting offerings in 1891 Finns...

Wish I had some money.

Read em and weep.

AIM Finnish "SA" Marked 1891 Mosin Nagant Rifles Finnish "SA" Marked 1891 Mosin Nagant Rifles

I want the westinghouse!!!!

Geo M44 · 05-16-2008, 11:16 PM

I really hate it when they do that. i.e. sell what I want when I can't afford it.

SwedeSteve · 05-17-2008, 03:46 AM

I feel your pain Geo! When I have cash, there's nuttin out there!

05-15-2008, 07:13 AM	#1
texnmidwest They wonder why I drink.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 7,924	1891??? OK, I was looking at a rifle that has me puzzled. I wish I had pictures of it but did not have a camera with me. It was Billed as and for all intents a purposes looked like an old 1891. Hex receiver, longer barrel than 91/30, correct front sight for an 1891, curved and stepped rear sight, etc. The part that didn't makes sense was the receiver. The markings were Izzy and the date of mfr. was 1944. RED FLAG! I thought they quit making 1891's in 26. Am I wrong here? The stock was pretty beat up and it looked more weathered than most I see. No finn markings either. Has anyone else ran across a true 1891 that has that date? __________________ Handle every stressful situation like a dog, sniff it, wee on it and walk away.

05-15-2008, 09:33 AM	#2
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,420	Are you talking about the tang date? M91's were made from 1893-1925 or thereabouts. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !! Last edited by SwedeSteve; 05-15-2008 at 09:35 AM.

05-15-2008, 06:03 PM	#4
Big Dog Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 14,104	Check the tang date to be sure. I would expect, if the Soviets refurbed it, they would've built it to M91/30 specs. Wonder what this rifle's story is? __________________ "A bold spirit embiggens the smallest man!" Jebediah Springfield

05-15-2008, 06:25 PM	#5
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,420	^Exactamundo __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

05-15-2008, 06:55 PM	#6
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05-15-2008, 07:14 PM	#7
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,420	Well I don't think its a pure M91. I think if you measure the OAL you'll find it's a M91 refitted with M91/30 barrel. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !! Last edited by SwedeSteve; 05-15-2008 at 07:16 PM.

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SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,420	The front sights are interchangeable Tex. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

05-16-2008, 11:28 AM	#12
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,420	It will be interesting to find out. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

05-16-2008, 12:00 PM	#13
sean46953 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Marion, Indiana Posts: 381	I have to agree that some one else has thrown a newer barrel on it. If it would have been me that done that though, I woud l have kept the original barrel and sent it away wth the rifle too, just for the fect that it was the original to that M91. But that's just me. __________________ http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...00_0535100.jpgSean M. Hartman

05-16-2008, 12:15 PM	#14
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,420	You have to remember that the Russians were constantly refurbishing/recycling their rifles. To put an old M91 with a bad bore back into service by adding a new 91/30 makes sense. The M91/59 is also a smart idea as well as the Czech M91/38. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

05-16-2008, 06:25 PM	#15
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 3,010	Wow... AIM has some interesting offerings in 1891 Finns... Wish I had some money. Read em and weep. AIM Finnish "SA" Marked 1891 Mosin Nagant Rifles Finnish "SA" Marked 1891 Mosin Nagant Rifles __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

05-16-2008, 07:58 PM	#16
troy2000 Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 14,553	The Rumanians put together some pretty weird mish-mashes when they were handing out "instructee" Mosins; they were hoping that if the Soviets rolled in, an armed civilian populace could slow them down long enough to get the West involved. So they cobbled together anything that could be made to fire. For example, mine is a round-receiver 91/30, but it has an m91 front sight on it. Is there any indication it ever had a red stripe painted on the buttstock, or the word instructee stamped or carved into it?

05-16-2008, 11:16 PM	#18
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 3,010	I really hate it when they do that. i.e. sell what I want when I can't afford it. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

05-17-2008, 03:46 AM	#19
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,420	I feel your pain Geo! When I have cash, there's nuttin out there! __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!