7.62x54R. How powerful is the cartridge really?

Ballbearing · 06-07-2008, 02:00 AM

How much do the bullets weigh on average?
What is the average muzzle velocity of most cartridges?
How much mean muzzle energy does the round produce?
How does it compare in relation to other military rifle cartridges of the period?

Would anyone care to give me some ballpark figures? I don't mean to be repetitive if this thread is beating a dead horse, but i would really like to know if one of you truly hard-core mosinites would like to educate me, a moderate mosinite. Thanks in advance.

Mooseman684 · 06-07-2008, 02:05 AM

Go here and Look...7.62x54r Ammunition Evaluations
Rich

jimkim · 06-07-2008, 02:13 AM

This is from Wolf ammo.....................Muzzle....Muzzle
Stock No.......Cal.......wt/Gr.....Typ....Vel FPS...Energy.....RDs
24510.......7.62x54R.....150......FMJ.....2,838... ..2,682.......20
24511.......7.62x54R.....180.......SP......2,641.. ...2,787.......20

Ballbearing · 06-07-2008, 02:23 AM

Good Lord Mooseman! Now i know why everyone wants one of the Finnish guns. Their velocity gets close to 3000 fps! Out of my M44 however, it isn't much more impressive than a 30-06 or a 7.92 mm. Still yet, it's darned respectable. But 2911 fps from the Finnish M91's, DA-AMN!

roadie · 06-07-2008, 02:56 AM

Powerful enough that when fired 50 yards at a 2 1/2" solid steel plate, it leaves a divit 3/4" deep...how's that for punch.

Mooseman684 · 06-07-2008, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ballbearing

Good Lord Mooseman! Now i know why everyone wants one of the Finnish guns. Their velocity gets close to 3000 fps! Out of my M44 however, it isn't much more impressive than a 30-06 or a 7.92 mm. Still yet, it's darned respectable. But 2911 fps from the Finnish M91's, DA-AMN!

Shhhh...Dont tell eveybody...The Finns are gettin harder to get !! LOL
Rich

SwedeSteve · 06-07-2008, 08:32 AM

Ask the Germans !!!

Smokin' Nagant · 06-07-2008, 11:49 AM

the 7.62x54r is the oldest cartirdge still used in military operations today. it got the job done in the 1800s, it still gets it done today. id say about that of a 308

troy2000 · 06-07-2008, 01:54 PM

What I love about a Mosin and a tin of surplus ammo is that you don't get a sharp "crack" like you get from a .30-06. It's more of a "BARROOOOM, Boom, oom, oom...", when I fire any of mine up in the hills behind my house. The echos go on for what seems forever.

ghost_raven · 06-07-2008, 02:09 PM

Hmm... it mentions the ammo I typically use as being "rare" and hard to find in the U.S., but where I got the gun at, it's the only 7.62x54R bullets they have. It's the Bulgarian copper washed stuff, with the stamp 10 at the top, and 82 at the bottom, though the picture shows 87 at the bottom.

poprox20 · 06-07-2008, 02:21 PM

Well look at it this way it was used in the 1800s and is still used today. If they didnt like it they wont still be using this round.

troy2000 · 06-07-2008, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghost_raven

Hmm... it mentions the ammo I typically use as being "rare" and hard to find in the U.S., but where I got the gun at, it's the only 7.62x54R bullets they have. It's the Bulgarian copper washed stuff, with the stamp 10 at the top, and 82 at the bottom, though the picture shows 87 at the bottom.

I think the chart is a little outdated. It also shows the brass-cased Bulgarian light ball I just bought from J & G as rare, and doesn't even mention the bulgarian heavy ball they're selling.

SwedeSteve · 06-08-2008, 07:40 AM

Yep, the data on their website is several years old. I emailed to ask if there was new ammo info on their updates, but have yet to receive a reply.

Geo M44 · 06-08-2008, 11:08 AM

It's rare if you can't find it...

The Bulgarian HB (brass case) came on the scene about a year ago, and it's still available, so there was, and probably still is, litterally tons stuck somewhere. Now that they (and everybody else) uses 7.62 x 39 it's a cash-cow.

Before that it was Czech laquered steel. Still around several years later, so there must have been a lot of that as well.

06-07-2008, 02:00 AM	#1
Ballbearing Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Boondocks Posts: 146	7.62x54R. How powerful is the cartridge really? How much do the bullets weigh on average? What is the average muzzle velocity of most cartridges? How much mean muzzle energy does the round produce? How does it compare in relation to other military rifle cartridges of the period? Would anyone care to give me some ballpark figures? I don't mean to be repetitive if this thread is beating a dead horse, but i would really like to know if one of you truly hard-core mosinites would like to educate me, a moderate mosinite. Thanks in advance.

06-07-2008, 02:05 AM	#2
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06-07-2008, 02:13 AM	#3
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,040 Blog Entries: 11	This is from Wolf ammo.....................Muzzle....Muzzle Stock No.......Cal.......wt/Gr.....Typ....Vel FPS...Energy.....RDs 24510.......7.62x54R.....150......FMJ.....2,838... ..2,682.......20 24511.......7.62x54R.....180.......SP......2,641.. ...2,787.......20 __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim Last edited by jimkim; 06-07-2008 at 02:20 AM. Reason: trying to separate data

06-07-2008, 02:56 AM	#5
roadie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 625 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 1	Powerful enough that when fired 50 yards at a 2 1/2" solid steel plate, it leaves a divit 3/4" deep...how's that for punch. __________________ Blaming guns for violent acts is like blaming the keyboard for your poor spelling.

06-07-2008, 08:32 AM	#7
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06-07-2008, 02:23 AM	#4
Ballbearing Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Boondocks Posts: 146	Good Lord Mooseman! Now i know why everyone wants one of the Finnish guns. Their velocity gets close to 3000 fps! Out of my M44 however, it isn't much more impressive than a 30-06 or a 7.92 mm. Still yet, it's darned respectable. But 2911 fps from the Finnish M91's, DA-AMN!

06-07-2008, 11:49 AM	#8
Smokin' Nagant Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 136	the 7.62x54r is the oldest cartirdge still used in military operations today. it got the job done in the 1800s, it still gets it done today. id say about that of a 308

06-07-2008, 01:54 PM	#9
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,405 Images: 9	What I love about a Mosin and a tin of surplus ammo is that you don't get a sharp "crack" like you get from a .30-06. It's more of a "BARROOOOM, Boom, oom, oom...", when I fire any of mine up in the hills behind my house. The echos go on for what seems forever. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

06-07-2008, 02:09 PM	#10
ghost_raven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 408	Hmm... it mentions the ammo I typically use as being "rare" and hard to find in the U.S., but where I got the gun at, it's the only 7.62x54R bullets they have. It's the Bulgarian copper washed stuff, with the stamp 10 at the top, and 82 at the bottom, though the picture shows 87 at the bottom. __________________ The First Amendment defines America, the Second Amendment defends it.

06-07-2008, 02:21 PM	#11
poprox20 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Silsbee AKA "Smoketown" Tx. Posts: 9	Well look at it this way it was used in the 1800s and is still used today. If they didnt like it they wont still be using this round.

06-08-2008, 07:40 AM	#13
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,266 Images: 1	Yep, the data on their website is several years old. I emailed to ask if there was new ammo info on their updates, but have yet to receive a reply. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

06-08-2008, 11:08 AM	#14
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,161	It's rare if you can't find it... The Bulgarian HB (brass case) came on the scene about a year ago, and it's still available, so there was, and probably still is, litterally tons stuck somewhere. Now that they (and everybody else) uses 7.62 x 39 it's a cash-cow. Before that it was Czech laquered steel. Still around several years later, so there must have been a lot of that as well. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.