Bolt want close with round?

majorleague · 07-09-2008, 05:18 PM

Hi everyone.
I have had my m44 for a good amount of time. It use to shoot just fine. But i decided it was time for a full cleaning again and i took my bolt a part cleaned everything. When i put it back together it fired the first round but wouldnt eject it. now it want load a round. It closes and opens real fine without a round. hoping someone might could help me fix this?
I have taken the bolt apart and reassembled it 3 times now using some directions on i found on the net. same problem

Acog74 · 07-09-2008, 05:21 PM

to tell you the truth it is probably still dirty in the breech or your extractor on your bolt it not put on the right way. What ammo do you use because the laquer coating on some ammo gums up the breech and requires it to be soaked depending on how bad it is.

majorleague · 07-09-2008, 05:23 PM

not sure on the ammo, this started about a year ago and i just put the rifle up. What would you recommend i soak it in?
I never took the extractor off.

Acog74 · 07-09-2008, 05:26 PM

Use hoppes nitro solvent or any other bore cleaner you have, let it sit for 7-10 minutes then use a smaller bore brush and scrub the breech.

mitch009 · 07-09-2008, 05:45 PM

i had somewhat of the same problem, make sure you check out the extractor pin and make sure it is properly in there and not bent or anything.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 07-09-2008, 05:51 PM

Another idea is if you have another Mosin trade the bolt out of that one and see if it works. If it does then its probably something you did with the bolt. Check the other one and see if there is a difference. If you dont have another Mosin now is the perfect time to buy one.

marion57 · 07-09-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

Another idea is if you have another Mosin trade the bolt out of that one and see if it works. If it does then its probably something you did with the bolt. Check the other one and see if there is a difference. If you dont have another Mosin now is the perfect time to buy one.

I strongly suggest you read the sticky at the top of the forum and the section on cleaning breech and bore ..I think you will find it quite informing

majorleague · 07-09-2008, 07:23 PM

my breach and bore is spic and span. here is the deal. If i take the round and place the little lip on the back said of the round under the "tooth" on the extractor then it will chamber and fire. but if i dont put it under there it will not close. it pushes all the way up and will turn just a little bit but it will not close.

marion57 · 07-09-2008, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by majorleague

my breach and bore is spic and span. here is the deal. If i take the round and place the little lip on the back said of the round under the "tooth" on the extractor then it will chamber and fire. but if i dont put it under there it will not close. it pushes all the way up and will turn just a little bit but it will not close.

I dont know for sure but if it works when you place it under the extractr you already know what the problem is .. I would remove the extractor and clean under it and replace it and try it
Go to this web site and scroll down to extractor removal and then down to reassemble
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinDisassembly.htm

majorleague · 07-09-2008, 08:11 PM

can i order a extractor and bolt head from somewhere? i really doubt im going to be able to get this one out without breaking/bending it..

marion57 · 07-09-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by majorleague

can i order a extractor and bolt head from somewhere? i really doubt im going to be able to get this one out without breaking/bending it..

yes you can from several places
Tennessee Gun Parts
Reich
7.62X54R Ammunition 20 Rounds Surplus [P-MN-59A] - $8.00 : Buymilsurp.com, Your source for military surplus.
If you cant find it there let me know and will try and find one for you

majorleague · 07-09-2008, 08:31 PM

thanks for your help.. im going to check them out.

marion57 · 07-10-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by majorleague

thanks for your help.. im going to check them out.

let us know what you find!!

Kismet · 07-10-2008, 06:46 AM

In my long, and checkered, career trying to do stuff...

I've learned to look at the part I've just fixed to find what the problem is that is causing the NEW problem.

justathought.

Geo M44 · 07-10-2008, 08:11 AM

This sounds like a Moose grade problem.

Moooose!

Since this happened after you disassembled the bolt, and it worked ok before... my suggestion is check the firing pin excursion and also make sure that the scribe marks on the bolt tail piece line up with the slot in the firing pin screw.

robertscheib · 07-10-2008, 01:19 PM

+1 for what Geo M44 said.
I "fixed" a family members recently purchased 91/30 with same bolt won't close complaint - the firing pin was protruding so far I'm amazed it didn't break off OR fire the round when he kept trying to cycle it!

SwedeSteve · 07-10-2008, 01:34 PM

It def sounds like a reassembly mistake. I would def remove/clean the extractor as well.

majorleague · 07-10-2008, 05:06 PM

the firing pin looked good, i did check it.. i bent the heck out of the extractor trying to get it out. i ordered one for it through.. im hoping that will fix the problem.. it seemed to me that it just was not locking around the lip on the round. it seemed like it was hitting the lip that why it wouldnt close unless i slid the round under the extractor with my hand before it closed.. all this does have one positive it gave me a good chance to stripe and re-blue the barrel and bolt.. i think it came out pretty good.

marion57 · 07-10-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by majorleague

the firing pin looked good, i did check it.. i bent the heck out of the extractor trying to get it out. i ordered one for it through.. im hoping that will fix the problem.. it seemed to me that it just was not locking around the lip on the round. it seemed like it was hitting the lip that why it wouldnt close unless i slid the round under the extractor with my hand before it closed.. all this does have one positive it gave me a good chance to stripe and re-blue the barrel and bolt.. i think it came out pretty good.

I think your on the right track

07-09-2008, 05:18 PM	#1
majorleague Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	Bolt want close with round? Hi everyone. I have had my m44 for a good amount of time. It use to shoot just fine. But i decided it was time for a full cleaning again and i took my bolt a part cleaned everything. When i put it back together it fired the first round but wouldnt eject it. now it want load a round. It closes and opens real fine without a round. hoping someone might could help me fix this? I have taken the bolt apart and reassembled it 3 times now using some directions on i found on the net. same problem

07-09-2008, 05:51 PM	#6
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,292 Images: 12	Another idea is if you have another Mosin trade the bolt out of that one and see if it works. If it does then its probably something you did with the bolt. Check the other one and see if there is a difference. If you dont have another Mosin now is the perfect time to buy one. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

07-10-2008, 06:46 AM	#14
Kismet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: rural WI Posts: 159	In my long, and checkered, career trying to do stuff... I've learned to look at the part I've just fixed to find what the problem is that is causing the NEW problem. justathought. __________________ Kis Safety? SAFETY??? Is gun for to shoot, not to be on SAFETY!!!

07-10-2008, 08:11 AM	#15
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,197	This sounds like a Moose grade problem. Moooose! Since this happened after you disassembled the bolt, and it worked ok before... my suggestion is check the firing pin excursion and also make sure that the scribe marks on the bolt tail piece line up with the slot in the firing pin screw. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away. Last edited by Geo M44; 07-10-2008 at 08:16 AM.

07-10-2008, 01:19 PM	#16
robertscheib Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 71	+1 for what Geo M44 said. I "fixed" a family members recently purchased 91/30 with same bolt won't close complaint - the firing pin was protruding so far I'm amazed it didn't break off OR fire the round when he kept trying to cycle it! __________________ The older I get the faster I was!

07-09-2008, 05:21 PM	#2
Acog74 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: CT Posts: 27	to tell you the truth it is probably still dirty in the breech or your extractor on your bolt it not put on the right way. What ammo do you use because the laquer coating on some ammo gums up the breech and requires it to be soaked depending on how bad it is.

07-09-2008, 05:23 PM	#3
majorleague Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	not sure on the ammo, this started about a year ago and i just put the rifle up. What would you recommend i soak it in? I never took the extractor off.

07-09-2008, 05:26 PM	#4
Acog74 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: CT Posts: 27	Use hoppes nitro solvent or any other bore cleaner you have, let it sit for 7-10 minutes then use a smaller bore brush and scrub the breech.

07-09-2008, 05:45 PM	#5
mitch009 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: WA Posts: 129	i had somewhat of the same problem, make sure you check out the extractor pin and make sure it is properly in there and not bent or anything.

07-09-2008, 07:23 PM	#8
majorleague Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	my breach and bore is spic and span. here is the deal. If i take the round and place the little lip on the back said of the round under the "tooth" on the extractor then it will chamber and fire. but if i dont put it under there it will not close. it pushes all the way up and will turn just a little bit but it will not close.

07-09-2008, 08:11 PM	#10
majorleague Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	can i order a extractor and bolt head from somewhere? i really doubt im going to be able to get this one out without breaking/bending it..

07-09-2008, 08:31 PM	#12
majorleague Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	thanks for your help.. im going to check them out.

07-10-2008, 01:34 PM	#17
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	It def sounds like a reassembly mistake. I would def remove/clean the extractor as well. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-10-2008, 05:06 PM	#18
majorleague Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	the firing pin looked good, i did check it.. i bent the heck out of the extractor trying to get it out. i ordered one for it through.. im hoping that will fix the problem.. it seemed to me that it just was not locking around the lip on the round. it seemed like it was hitting the lip that why it wouldnt close unless i slid the round under the extractor with my hand before it closed.. all this does have one positive it gave me a good chance to stripe and re-blue the barrel and bolt.. i think it came out pretty good.