Possible bad thing?

LefthandShooter · 07-16-2008, 09:30 AM

When I got my 91/30 (about a year ago) the first time I took it shooting after the third shot it FTF. While keeping it pointed at the target I started to eject the round by lifting the bolt. KABLOOM! It went off after I had the bolt about 3/4 of the way to being able to move it back. Scared the _ _ _ _ out of me! I put the gun down and asked a guy with a M44 about it. He said nothing to worry about. 300 rounds later I have had no other problems. Any idea what happened or if it was just a slow burning primer?
I've been reading about slamfires in the SKS forum and decided it was time to speak up about this! (I do know that my MN will not go fully auto like a SKS though!)

wunhunglo · 07-16-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LefthandShooter

When I got my 91/30 (about a year ago) the first time I took it shooting after the third shot it FTF. While keeping it pointed at the target I started to eject the round by lifting the bolt. KABLOOM! It went off after I had the bolt about 3/4 of the way to being able to move it back. Scared the _ _ _ _ out of me! I put the gun down and asked a guy with a M44 about it. He said nothing to worry about. 300 rounds later I have had no other problems. Any idea what happened or if it was just a slow burning primer?
I've been reading about slamfires in the SKS forum and decided it was time to speak up about this! (I do know that my MN will not go fully auto like a SKS though!)

What you had was a "hangfire" (as opposed to a slamfire) and not completely unknown, especially if using old surplus ammunition. That is why after a failure to fire, you should wait 30 seconds minimum before opening the breech. (some say longer)
Note. I say should, most people don't but the ones who have seen or experienced a Hangfire, do!

ArkansasHunter · 07-16-2008, 09:40 AM

I got rid of a Mauser 96 I had just bought from Wal Mart years ago that did the same thing.
I don't know what caused it but I returned it and got my money back.

SwedeSteve · 07-16-2008, 10:35 AM

Wun is right. Hangfires are common with surplus ammo. If you pull the trigger, and get a click instead of a bang you should keep your rifle pointed down range. I usually wait 1 minute before ejecting the round.

LefthandShooter · 07-16-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

If you pull the trigger, and get a click instead of a bang you should keep your rifle pointed down range.

Changed my post. Decided it is best to be nice than funny sometimes.

Mosin Shooter · 07-16-2008, 12:43 PM

Of all the rounds I've ever put thru my Mosin(around 300 rounds now) I've only experienced one misfire, the round never went off. I pulled the bullet and emptied the powder and use the round like a Snapcap.

SwedeSteve · 07-16-2008, 02:09 PM

And then there's the equally hazardous cook-off !!

Jersey Jailer · 07-16-2008, 02:14 PM

OK OK Lefty, he's banned and gone.

Got sei dank

wunhunglo · 07-16-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

And then there's the equally hazardous cook-off !!

That's a good one.....I've never come across anyone who has experienced such a thing; has anyone on here?

SwedeSteve · 07-16-2008, 02:22 PM

Not in a Mosin. I said that sort of tongue in cheek.

LefthandShooter · 07-16-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

And then there's the equally hazardous cook-off !!

Oh? So you've had my sister-in-law's cooking?
It could give a hyenia a case of the dry heaves!

SwedeSteve · 07-16-2008, 03:23 PM

^LOL. Cook-offs do happen but I've only witnessed them in machineguns. Theoretically, you could have a cook-off in a Mosin, but I think it would be hard to get one hot enough.

Zephri · 07-16-2008, 03:28 PM

Never had one hang fire with any of the ammo I used in my mosins. only had hang fires in my enfields when using pof stamped ammo, but they were more liked delayed primers as the delays were only about a thousandth of a second long. Although I have a feeling the enfield would not fair as well with the bolt partilly open with a hang fire as the mosin will.

wunhunglo · 07-16-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

^LOL. Cook-offs do happen but I've only witnessed them in machineguns. Theoretically, you could have a cook-off in a Mosin, but I think it would be hard to get one hot enough.

What machine gun did you witness the cook-off in? Must have been a closed bolt one, Browning 19 or M2? The machine guns I have experience of were all open bolt weapons and never came across a cook-off.

SwedeSteve · 07-16-2008, 03:47 PM

The M60 MG will cook off if you are firing too long of bursts (more than 6-9). Immediate action is to pull the belt hard to force a jam, or break the rest of the belt off and let it expend its rounds.

Zephri · 07-16-2008, 03:49 PM

wasn't a runaway gun also caused by a worn part in the m60?

The m60's open bolt btw.

SwedeSteve · 07-16-2008, 03:52 PM

The feed pawl used to give us problems.

wunhunglo · 07-16-2008, 03:59 PM

I believe the M60 was similar to our Gimpy and fired from an open bolt so should not have suffered from cook-offs unless you had a stoppage/fail to fire & didn't clear it quickly enough.
I had heard of them running on for various mechanical failures and then having to be stopped by breaking the belt or trying to open the top cover.

gandog56 · 07-16-2008, 04:50 PM

Mosins to machine guns....SHEESH

mosquitofish · 07-16-2008, 04:59 PM

I've had hangfire in black powder never in a brass case. even surplus ammo.

07-16-2008, 09:30 AM	#1
LefthandShooter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In A House in NE Ohio! Posts: 1,450	Possible bad thing? When I got my 91/30 (about a year ago) the first time I took it shooting after the third shot it FTF. While keeping it pointed at the target I started to eject the round by lifting the bolt. KABLOOM! It went off after I had the bolt about 3/4 of the way to being able to move it back. Scared the _ _ _ _ out of me! I put the gun down and asked a guy with a M44 about it. He said nothing to worry about. 300 rounds later I have had no other problems. Any idea what happened or if it was just a slow burning primer? I've been reading about slamfires in the SKS forum and decided it was time to speak up about this! (I do know that my MN will not go fully auto like a SKS though!) __________________ A dead bird is still a dead bird.

07-16-2008, 10:35 AM	#4
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	Wun is right. Hangfires are common with surplus ammo. If you pull the trigger, and get a click instead of a bang you should keep your rifle pointed down range. I usually wait 1 minute before ejecting the round. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-16-2008, 12:43 PM	#6
Mosin Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 416	Of all the rounds I've ever put thru my Mosin(around 300 rounds now) I've only experienced one misfire, the round never went off. I pulled the bullet and emptied the powder and use the round like a Snapcap. __________________ Save a cow, eat a vegetarian.

07-16-2008, 02:09 PM	#7
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	And then there's the equally hazardous cook-off !! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-16-2008, 02:14 PM	#8
Jersey Jailer Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: SOUTH Jersey Posts: 499	OK OK Lefty, he's banned and gone. Got sei dank __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Austrailian Shepherds are like potato chips... You can't have just one

07-16-2008, 09:40 AM	#3
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,686	I got rid of a Mauser 96 I had just bought from Wal Mart years ago that did the same thing. I don't know what caused it but I returned it and got my money back.

07-16-2008, 02:22 PM	#10
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	Not in a Mosin. I said that sort of tongue in cheek. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-16-2008, 03:23 PM	#12
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	^LOL. Cook-offs do happen but I've only witnessed them in machineguns. Theoretically, you could have a cook-off in a Mosin, but I think it would be hard to get one hot enough. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-16-2008, 03:28 PM	#13
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,088 Blog Entries: 6	Never had one hang fire with any of the ammo I used in my mosins. only had hang fires in my enfields when using pof stamped ammo, but they were more liked delayed primers as the delays were only about a thousandth of a second long. Although I have a feeling the enfield would not fair as well with the bolt partilly open with a hang fire as the mosin will. __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!" http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/zephri/

07-16-2008, 03:47 PM	#15
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	The M60 MG will cook off if you are firing too long of bursts (more than 6-9). Immediate action is to pull the belt hard to force a jam, or break the rest of the belt off and let it expend its rounds. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-16-2008, 03:49 PM	#16
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,088 Blog Entries: 6	wasn't a runaway gun also caused by a worn part in the m60? The m60's open bolt btw. __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!" http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/zephri/

07-16-2008, 03:52 PM	#17
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,346 Images: 1	The feed pawl used to give us problems. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-16-2008, 03:59 PM	#18
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 1,657	I believe the M60 was similar to our Gimpy and fired from an open bolt so should not have suffered from cook-offs unless you had a stoppage/fail to fire & didn't clear it quickly enough. I had heard of them running on for various mechanical failures and then having to be stopped by breaking the belt or trying to open the top cover.

07-16-2008, 04:50 PM	#19
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,297	Mosins to machine guns....SHEESH

07-16-2008, 04:59 PM	#20
mosquitofish Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: So. Calif. Posts: 308	I've had hangfire in black powder never in a brass case. even surplus ammo. __________________ Earth humor