Mosin Mystery

iflylow74 · 07-17-2008, 03:02 PM

I just got back from the pawnshop. While I was there, I was hoping to find a good cheap 91/30. They didnt have any but what they did have was what looked like a m-38 (no bayonet) with asian looking letters on the top and the year 1953 or so. I believe it had the arrow with the circle around it. The price tag said it was a Swedish rifle and the price was $149. I figure the Swedish part was wrong but does this sound familiar to anyone? The price seemed high to me unless it was something rare. Condition looked to be average.

SwedeSteve · 07-17-2008, 03:21 PM

Are you sure it didn't have the bayo removed and the lug ground off ??

iflylow74 · 07-17-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Are you sure it didn't have the bayo removed and the lug ground off ??

Its possible I guess. I should have looked in more detail. Im new to Mosins so Im still learning.

Niko911 · 07-17-2008, 03:26 PM

Well if its a m38 I think that they go for more money than the regular m44, 91/30 but i have no idea on the circle with an arrow.

edit**

Upon doing some further research I found something called Estonian Mosin nagants

F Fagersta Steel (Swedish)

U Uddeholm Steel (Swedish) those are some of the swedish markings

http://www.estonianarms.com/TheEstonianMosinNagant.htm

Thers a site with some info on the gun

1944-53(?) : The anti-Soviet resistance group known as "The Forest Brothers" carry on a guerilla type war with the communists. Over 15,000 of the "Forest Brothers" would die and countless Estonians were deported to Siberia or other labor camps in the USSR in this time period.

So mabey it was used by the estonians?

gandog56 · 07-17-2008, 03:29 PM

Triangle with arrow or star with arrow, yes. Never heard of a circle with arrow.

But I'm new fairly new to this game

Cyrano · 07-17-2008, 03:31 PM

Could your mark be a circle with a triangle inside it, and a "T" inside that? If it is, it's a Finnish Tikka Mosin. Otherwise, I'm wondering if you might have a ChiCom Type 53 with the bayonet lug ground off.

iflylow74 · 07-17-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

Could your mark be a circle with a triangle inside it, and a "T" inside that? If it is, it's a Finnish Tikka Mosin. Otherwise, I'm wondering if you might have a ChiCom Type 53 with the bayonet lug ground off.

Im not 100% sure but I think it had a circle with an arrow inside. If it is a ChiCom type 53, does $149 sound like too much?

gandog56 · 07-17-2008, 04:11 PM

150 bucks sounds about right.

Deegs · 07-17-2008, 06:05 PM

ive heard of those texas mosins runnin round mayb it is one of those!!!

iflylow74 · 07-17-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Niko911

Well if its a m38 I think that they go for more money than the regular m44, 91/30 but i have no idea on the circle with an arrow.

edit**

Upon doing some further research I found something called Estonian Mosin nagants

F Fagersta Steel (Swedish)

U Uddeholm Steel (Swedish) those are some of the swedish markings

The Estonian Mosin Nagant

Thers a site with some info on the gun

1944-53(?) : The anti-Soviet resistance group known as "The Forest Brothers" carry on a guerilla type war with the communists. Over 15,000 of the "Forest Brothers" would die and countless Estonians were deported to Siberia or other labor camps in the USSR in this time period.

So mabey it was used by the estonians?

Thanks for the link!! I will try to go back tomorrow and take a closer look and then get back to you guys.

Big Dog · 07-18-2008, 05:00 AM

Does the carbine have it's military stock complete, or is it cut down? Any evidence of the bayo channel in the wood?

I have a T53 Chinese Mosin with cutdown stock, and bayo lug removed - also the barrel shortened by about an inch! Professional blue job looks good.
I have been told an importer brought a bunch of these in many years ago, and had them cut down and refinished as cheap 'deer rifles' for the non-collectors among us.

Too bad - the stock has gorgeous wood - looks like either walnut or a dark mahogany - I'd kill to have a full military stock in this wood!

ArkansasHunter · 07-18-2008, 05:10 AM

I hope he gets a chance to go back and look at the gun. I'm eager to hear what it is.

TheWanderingMind · 07-18-2008, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Deegs

ive heard of those texas mosins runnin round mayb it is one of those!!!

If it's got a circle with an arrow in it, it might have come from the Cherokee tribal Mosin works in Oklahoma!

texnmidwest · 07-18-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWanderingMind

If it's got a circle with an arrow in it, it might have come from the Cherokee tribal Mosin works in Oklahoma!

TWM, we have corrupted your mind! LOL!!!

TheWanderingMind · 07-18-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

TWM, we have corrupted your mind! LOL!!!

Too late, Tex! I was born corrupted! And wandering... (Or was that wondering...?)

I may have corrupted a few of these folks myself! Mosinitis is kickin' in so strong, I'm oozing Cosmolene. I'm still waiting to hear back about my loaned-out Imperial 1891 that my dead friend's wife sold off to her nephew... I don't want to go to court just to get it back!

texnmidwest · 07-18-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWanderingMind

Too late, Tex! I was born corrupted! And wandering... (Or was that wondering...?)

I may have corrupted a few of these folks myself! Mosinitis is kickin' in so strong, I'm oozing Cosmolene. I'm still waiting to hear back about my loaned-out Imperial 1891 that my dead friend's wife sold off to her nephew... I don't want to go to court just to get it back!

I DO wish you luck with that. Going to court is not fun at all. Even if it costs you a few bucks to get it back it would be worth it not going to court

SwedeSteve · 07-18-2008, 09:11 AM

I think, if this is decent, you'll see your rifle again.

Mike82 · 07-21-2008, 12:27 PM

court?!? <.< >.> >.< <runs away screaming> worse than being put in the corner not knowing what you did wrong....

SwedeSteve · 07-21-2008, 12:49 PM

What I meant to type was, if he is a decent guy, you will probably get it back.

Mike82 · 07-21-2008, 01:05 PM

mmhmm....where have you seen a gun case be decent? It's MINE!!!! NO, it's MINE!!!! I'll shoot you for it!!!!

07-17-2008, 03:02 PM	#1
iflylow74 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Arkansaw Posts: 1,023 Blog Entries: 11	Mosin Mystery I just got back from the pawnshop. While I was there, I was hoping to find a good cheap 91/30. They didnt have any but what they did have was what looked like a m-38 (no bayonet) with asian looking letters on the top and the year 1953 or so. I believe it had the arrow with the circle around it. The price tag said it was a Swedish rifle and the price was $149. I figure the Swedish part was wrong but does this sound familiar to anyone? The price seemed high to me unless it was something rare. Condition looked to be average. __________________ Most things aren't a matter of can or can't, but a matter of want to or don't want to. -me

07-17-2008, 03:21 PM	#2
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,300 Images: 1	Are you sure it didn't have the bayo removed and the lug ground off ?? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-17-2008, 03:26 PM	#4
Niko911 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 134	Well if its a m38 I think that they go for more money than the regular m44, 91/30 but i have no idea on the circle with an arrow. edit** Upon doing some further research I found something called Estonian Mosin nagants F Fagersta Steel (Swedish) U Uddeholm Steel (Swedish) those are some of the swedish markings http://www.estonianarms.com/TheEstonianMosinNagant.htm Thers a site with some info on the gun 1944-53(?) : The anti-Soviet resistance group known as "The Forest Brothers" carry on a guerilla type war with the communists. Over 15,000 of the "Forest Brothers" would die and countless Estonians were deported to Siberia or other labor camps in the USSR in this time period. So mabey it was used by the estonians? Last edited by Niko911; 07-17-2008 at 03:56 PM.

07-17-2008, 06:05 PM	#9
Deegs Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Twin Bridges, MT Posts: 49	ive heard of those texas mosins runnin round mayb it is one of those!!! __________________ ~We all end up dead, the question is how and why

07-18-2008, 05:00 AM	#11
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,208	Does the carbine have it's military stock complete, or is it cut down? Any evidence of the bayo channel in the wood? I have a T53 Chinese Mosin with cutdown stock, and bayo lug removed - also the barrel shortened by about an inch! Professional blue job looks good. I have been told an importer brought a bunch of these in many years ago, and had them cut down and refinished as cheap 'deer rifles' for the non-collectors among us. Too bad - the stock has gorgeous wood - looks like either walnut or a dark mahogany - I'd kill to have a full military stock in this wood! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-17-2008, 03:29 PM	#5
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,195	Triangle with arrow or star with arrow, yes. Never heard of a circle with arrow. But I'm new fairly new to this game

07-17-2008, 03:31 PM	#6
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,296	Could your mark be a circle with a triangle inside it, and a "T" inside that? If it is, it's a Finnish Tikka Mosin. Otherwise, I'm wondering if you might have a ChiCom Type 53 with the bayonet lug ground off.

07-17-2008, 04:11 PM	#8
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,195	150 bucks sounds about right.

07-18-2008, 05:10 AM	#12
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,678	I hope he gets a chance to go back and look at the gun. I'm eager to hear what it is.

07-18-2008, 09:11 AM	#17
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,300 Images: 1	I think, if this is decent, you'll see your rifle again. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-21-2008, 12:27 PM	#18
Mike82 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi USA Posts: 1,019 Images: 7	court?!? <.< >.> >.< <runs away screaming> worse than being put in the corner not knowing what you did wrong.... __________________ No Trespassing! Violators Will Be Shot! Survivors Will Be Shot Again!

07-21-2008, 12:49 PM	#19
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,300 Images: 1	What I meant to type was, if he is a decent guy, you will probably get it back. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-21-2008, 01:05 PM	#20
Mike82 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi USA Posts: 1,019 Images: 7	mmhmm....where have you seen a gun case be decent? It's MINE!!!! NO, it's MINE!!!! I'll shoot you for it!!!! __________________ No Trespassing! Violators Will Be Shot! Survivors Will Be Shot Again!