dragunov?

adamhgkb · 10-05-2008, 11:22 PM

Should I spend several hundred on one dragunov svd (ssg-97) you know the scope etc..........or use that several hundred on SEVERAL mosin nagants?

Vintovka · 10-05-2008, 11:24 PM

that depends on how many mosin nagants you have already. if you have, say, more than 3, you should feel free to get something different. i have 5, and i'm thinking about changing it up and getting a Garand next. of course, the cost of that Garand could be anywhere from 8-12 mosins, but i really want a Garand

good luck with your choice!

adamhgkb · 10-05-2008, 11:35 PM

i am at 3 right now.........a 91/30, 91/30 sniper and a m44.........well I think I will go with an m39 then consider the dragunov.......oh wait I also want more SKS's oh so many desires so little money

GlockMeister · 10-05-2008, 11:40 PM

And remember, a real Dragonav will run you like $1500 if not more? And that dollar amount would buy you like what, 5 crates of nagants? lol

If the one you're looking at is like $800 bucks, odds are it's not a true Dragonov???

Now with either the $800 05 $1500, you could buy a few nagants and a few other things or a few nagants and another really nice rifle, like as mentioned above, a Garand?

adamhgkb · 10-05-2008, 11:45 PM

yea a guy i talked to who bought the 700/800 dragunov.........he LOVES the gun its his favorite........but he had to have the scope fixed and who knows what else could go wrong.....i also tend to go through ALOT less ammo with bolt actions rather than semis which helps control expenses..........

GlockMeister · 10-05-2008, 11:47 PM

True, but it sure is fun blasting away a 30 round clip. lol

Instead of getting more nagants, only because you already have what 3?, nothing wrong with getting more nagants, lol, but have you considered getting an SKS or 2 or 3? Maybe get a Yugo model 50/66, a Romanian SKS, a Norinco SKS and or the premo of SKS's Russian (and that's if you could find one)?lol

jhb1422 · 10-05-2008, 11:51 PM

From what I've heard.... getting your hands on a genuine dragunov would run you $2000+

However, the Romanian PSL (looks like a dragunov, but not a dragunov) runs in the $800 - $1200 range. Just something to keep in mind so you don't spend your money thinking you're getting a REAL dragunov, but you're actually getting a PSL.

FS00008 · 10-05-2008, 11:51 PM

GM... *shakes head*

"... 30 round CLIP..."?

Hehe.

I'd definitely buy an M39 and then just save up for a REAL Dragunov. PSLs are cool, but I'd much rather have the real thing instead of a basta**ized AK action...

adamhgkb · 10-05-2008, 11:54 PM

i already have the yugo sks..........shot 60 rounds today its a blast! really accurate built like a tank!
already had in my head russian sks/ m39 as my next 2 rifle purchases......just wondered if I could focus on the dragunov ( ok actually a romanian psl)
dont have the patience to save up a few grand on a gun never have never will

Ferroflame · 10-05-2008, 11:55 PM

What will you be using them for? Simple plinking?

If you're just going to plink and such, go for a Mosin. Unless you have money to burn. The go for the Dragunov.

Just make sure it's a real SVD. Not a Romak 3.

GlockMeister · 10-05-2008, 11:55 PM

I'd like to get the Romanian PSL also. I say get it, but then that's me...Go ahead, get one. lol

adamhgkb · 10-06-2008, 12:00 AM

plinking sounds kinda wimpy,,,,,,,,,i prefer BLOWING CRAP UP! concrete blocks, frozen milk jugs, aerosol cans.......anything i can get my hands on..........hope to get some pumpkins soon! nothing like an explosion from a big round!

Mooseman684 · 10-06-2008, 12:04 AM

Real Dragunovs are 2500 + dollars Now... Anything Less is Not a Dragunov !
Romaks ARE NOT Dragunovs....

soonerborn · 10-06-2008, 07:54 AM

There is nothing wrong with the Romak-3 / PSL / SSG-97. Nothing at all, they are good guns, they are just different than a real dragunov.

The small difference in quality and performance are certainly not worth the extra price. A real Dragunov will run you about 9-10k, a Tiger (which is made by the same mfgr, its just a shorter hunting model of the original) can be had for about 3-4k I believe, a NDM-86 is a chinese version which is a direct copy (liscensed I believe) of the Dragunov action will run about 2k.

If you go ahead and buy the PSL (which I recommend) just make sure you get a imported one, not one assembled here. Check the stamp on it, if its got the Tennessee Gun (TGI) stamp on it, run away. They are poorly assembled and lots of problems reported with them. The only 2 companies importing right now, and for a long while, are IO and CAI. One stamps them SSG-97 the other stamps them Romak-3 PSL. Make sure you get one of them. And dont shoot the cheapo 180gr ammo down it either, they dont like the heavy ball stuff. Go with the lighter ammo 148gr (i think it is), most people get the best accuracy from the Czech silvertip ammo which is still very cheap. I would avoid corrosive ammo also as a semi auto is harder to clean than a bolt action. You can either buy one with the scope on it or better yet buy one without it and get the better PSOP scope from Kalinka.

just_a_car · 10-07-2008, 01:55 AM

Soonerborn, you suggest Czech silvertip, but then say to avoid corrosive ammo... are you aware that most surplus 7.62x54R (including Czech silvertip) is corrosive?

Plus, it's really not that hard to deal with corrosive ammo as long as you know what you're doing. Mainly you want to get water down the barrel (and on any part that comes in contact with the combustion gases) to wash out the corrosive potassium chloride salts. Using hot or warm water will help wash them out faster. Using ammonia (or Windex with Ammonia) will start working on the copper-fouling, but doesn't really make much difference when it comes to that versus water for removing the salts.

-Your resident chemist

Mooseman684 · 10-07-2008, 02:34 AM

Actually the Windex is Water, ammonia, And Surfactants...which work very well as wetting agents to wash the salt into solution and attack any copper fouling as a Bonus...

adamhgkb · 10-07-2008, 06:43 AM

is everything that is berdan primed corrosive?

texnmidwest · 10-07-2008, 07:25 AM

Yepper. I would consider any surplus ammo corrosive until proven otherwise.

lowercase · 10-07-2008, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamhgkb

is everything that is berdan primed corrosive?

My understanding is that berdan primers aren't necessarily corrosive. They are just a type of primer. It's just that the milsurp stuff uses corrosive powders. The modern non-corrosive stuff like Brown Bear 7.62x54R says "Non-corrosive berdan primer" on the box. From what I have read, berdan primed brass is much harder to reload. Here's a link discussing berdan primers.

Internal ballistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Guys, please feel free to chime in if you have better info.

texnmidwest · 10-07-2008, 08:36 AM

The only thing I can add is the the corrosive powders and primers are more reliable in military conditions and store longer. That is my understanding as to why mil surp ammo is corrosive. Corrosive or not I would still clean the rifle as if I were shooting corrosive ammo. Won't hurt to be careful.

10-05-2008, 11:22 PM	#1
adamhgkb Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: akron,ohio Posts: 637	dragunov? Should I spend several hundred on one dragunov svd (ssg-97) you know the scope etc..........or use that several hundred on SEVERAL mosin nagants?

10-05-2008, 11:40 PM	#4
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	And remember, a real Dragonav will run you like $1500 if not more? And that dollar amount would buy you like what, 5 crates of nagants? lol If the one you're looking at is like $800 bucks, odds are it's not a true Dragonov??? Now with either the $800 05 $1500, you could buy a few nagants and a few other things or a few nagants and another really nice rifle, like as mentioned above, a Garand? __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke" Last edited by GlockMeister; 10-07-2008 at 01:58 AM.

10-05-2008, 11:47 PM	#6
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	True, but it sure is fun blasting away a 30 round clip. lol Instead of getting more nagants, only because you already have what 3?, nothing wrong with getting more nagants, lol, but have you considered getting an SKS or 2 or 3? Maybe get a Yugo model 50/66, a Romanian SKS, a Norinco SKS and or the premo of SKS's Russian (and that's if you could find one)?lol __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke"

10-05-2008, 11:55 PM	#10
Ferroflame Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 577	What will you be using them for? Simple plinking? If you're just going to plink and such, go for a Mosin. Unless you have money to burn. The go for the Dragunov. Just make sure it's a real SVD. Not a Romak 3. __________________ One AR-15... Or ten Mosin Nagants... Choices, choices...

10-05-2008, 11:55 PM	#11
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	I'd like to get the Romanian PSL also. I say get it, but then that's me...Go ahead, get one. lol __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke"

10-05-2008, 11:24 PM	#2
Vintovka Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 170	that depends on how many mosin nagants you have already. if you have, say, more than 3, you should feel free to get something different. i have 5, and i'm thinking about changing it up and getting a Garand next. of course, the cost of that Garand could be anywhere from 8-12 mosins, but i really want a Garand good luck with your choice!

10-05-2008, 11:35 PM	#3
adamhgkb Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: akron,ohio Posts: 637	i am at 3 right now.........a 91/30, 91/30 sniper and a m44.........well I think I will go with an m39 then consider the dragunov.......oh wait I also want more SKS's oh so many desires so little money

10-05-2008, 11:45 PM	#5
adamhgkb Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: akron,ohio Posts: 637	yea a guy i talked to who bought the 700/800 dragunov.........he LOVES the gun its his favorite........but he had to have the scope fixed and who knows what else could go wrong.....i also tend to go through ALOT less ammo with bolt actions rather than semis which helps control expenses..........

10-05-2008, 11:51 PM	#7
jhb1422 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lubbock, Texas. Posts: 41	From what I've heard.... getting your hands on a genuine dragunov would run you $2000+ However, the Romanian PSL (looks like a dragunov, but not a dragunov) runs in the $800 - $1200 range. Just something to keep in mind so you don't spend your money thinking you're getting a REAL dragunov, but you're actually getting a PSL.

10-05-2008, 11:51 PM	#8
FS00008 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,657 Blog Entries: 3	GM... shakes head "... 30 round CLIP..."? Hehe. I'd definitely buy an M39 and then just save up for a REAL Dragunov. PSLs are cool, but I'd much rather have the real thing instead of a basta**ized AK action...

10-05-2008, 11:54 PM	#9
adamhgkb Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: akron,ohio Posts: 637	i already have the yugo sks..........shot 60 rounds today its a blast! really accurate built like a tank! already had in my head russian sks/ m39 as my next 2 rifle purchases......just wondered if I could focus on the dragunov ( ok actually a romanian psl) dont have the patience to save up a few grand on a gun never have never will

10-06-2008, 12:00 AM	#12
adamhgkb Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: akron,ohio Posts: 637	plinking sounds kinda wimpy,,,,,,,,,i prefer BLOWING CRAP UP! concrete blocks, frozen milk jugs, aerosol cans.......anything i can get my hands on..........hope to get some pumpkins soon! nothing like an explosion from a big round!

10-06-2008, 12:04 AM	#13
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,305 Images: 2	Real Dragunovs are 2500 + dollars Now... Anything Less is Not a Dragunov ! Romaks ARE NOT Dragunovs.... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

10-06-2008, 07:54 AM	#14
soonerborn Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 409	There is nothing wrong with the Romak-3 / PSL / SSG-97. Nothing at all, they are good guns, they are just different than a real dragunov. The small difference in quality and performance are certainly not worth the extra price. A real Dragunov will run you about 9-10k, a Tiger (which is made by the same mfgr, its just a shorter hunting model of the original) can be had for about 3-4k I believe, a NDM-86 is a chinese version which is a direct copy (liscensed I believe) of the Dragunov action will run about 2k. If you go ahead and buy the PSL (which I recommend) just make sure you get a imported one, not one assembled here. Check the stamp on it, if its got the Tennessee Gun (TGI) stamp on it, run away. They are poorly assembled and lots of problems reported with them. The only 2 companies importing right now, and for a long while, are IO and CAI. One stamps them SSG-97 the other stamps them Romak-3 PSL. Make sure you get one of them. And dont shoot the cheapo 180gr ammo down it either, they dont like the heavy ball stuff. Go with the lighter ammo 148gr (i think it is), most people get the best accuracy from the Czech silvertip ammo which is still very cheap. I would avoid corrosive ammo also as a semi auto is harder to clean than a bolt action. You can either buy one with the scope on it or better yet buy one without it and get the better PSOP scope from Kalinka. __________________ Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a Bureau!!!

10-07-2008, 01:55 AM	#15
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 4,091	Soonerborn, you suggest Czech silvertip, but then say to avoid corrosive ammo... are you aware that most surplus 7.62x54R (including Czech silvertip) is corrosive? Plus, it's really not that hard to deal with corrosive ammo as long as you know what you're doing. Mainly you want to get water down the barrel (and on any part that comes in contact with the combustion gases) to wash out the corrosive potassium chloride salts. Using hot or warm water will help wash them out faster. Using ammonia (or Windex with Ammonia) will start working on the copper-fouling, but doesn't really make much difference when it comes to that versus water for removing the salts. -Your resident chemist __________________ B.S. Chemistry UofWA '09 CETME Owners - Founder AK-47 owners - Member The Mosin Men - Member

10-07-2008, 02:34 AM	#16
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,305 Images: 2	Actually the Windex is Water, ammonia, And Surfactants...which work very well as wetting agents to wash the salt into solution and attack any copper fouling as a Bonus... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

10-07-2008, 06:43 AM	#17
adamhgkb Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: akron,ohio Posts: 637	is everything that is berdan primed corrosive?

10-07-2008, 07:25 AM	#18
texnmidwest Some People's kids.... Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 6,975	Yepper. I would consider any surplus ammo corrosive until proven otherwise. __________________ never pass up a bathroom, never waste a ** , and never trust a fart.

10-07-2008, 08:36 AM	#20
texnmidwest Some People's kids.... Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 6,975	The only thing I can add is the the corrosive powders and primers are more reliable in military conditions and store longer. That is my understanding as to why mil surp ammo is corrosive. Corrosive or not I would still clean the rifle as if I were shooting corrosive ammo. Won't hurt to be careful. __________________ never pass up a bathroom, never waste a ** , and never trust a fart.