[Shooter_Mcgavin]

there is a dovetail rail hidden under the rear sight on the m91,91/30 and m91/59 so you just need to remove the sight. It will allow you to use 22lr scope mounts or what not on it

[rakhan]

with this mount system so low it seems like it would be hard to get your head low enough for you to see through the scope is this at all a problem

[Mike82]

nope....stock cheek weld(rest) is at perfect height, and I have semi-high cheek bones....it may be a lil low for people that get the synthetic stocks cause they have higher cheek welds, but you then just fix that with higher rise ring-mount.
-Mike.

[Its-A-Izhevsk]

Hmmm, Would this work with a red dot scope? they're $35 around here.

[Mike82]

uhhh yeah....if it's got long enough eye relief....i have yet to use one on this, but i had one on my russian AK and the eye relief there is about 8inches or so....if it has the correct mount (3/8") it should go right on, or if it doesnt have built-in mounting system, it should work fine with the adaptors listed on first page.
-Mike.

[Mike82]

95 GMC Sierra Limited, rear bench seat removed and a custom built 29.5 cu ft box built with 2 rows of subs pointing forwards....(3) 15" Rockford Fosgate subs along top row, and (3) 18" Rockford Fosgate subs along bottom row. (3) 4,000watt 2-channel Lanzar Vector amps tuned to output a max of 10,500 watts of heart-stopping 61.5hz bass. This, is the most extreme *thread bump* i have assembled. Bump this B|t{h into the next millenium. {shake rattle and roll-the-*BEEP*-out}

[Mike82]

that bump took too long to type and didn't seem to help any.....*sighs*

[Mike82]

i want to hump this bump....

[rondog]

Humpin' the bump here boss.....

[Mike82]

hahaha....hells yeah....ur sig is true btw....haha, i'd be in key largo if it weren't for you pesky kids and your mom!!!....rofl

[Cyrano]

What would be my best option for scout-scoping a Type 53 (ChiCom version of the M44)? I don't much like those aluminum Picatinny rails that require removal of the rear sight. There have been lots of posts about people who have had trouble with that mount. Apart from the jmeck scope mount, are there other options? I love the jmeck but money's a little tight here just now; plus which, Jeff would have to make me another extender for it. I need the longer, more powerful scopes; my eyes aren't as young as they were. Those short 2.5x pistol scopes just don't cut it for me.

[gandog56]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mike82

uhhh yeah....if it's got long enough eye relief....i have yet to use one on this, but i had one on my russian AK and the eye relief there is about 8inches or so....if it has the correct mount (3/8") it should go right on, or if it doesnt have built-in mounting system, it should work fine with the adaptors listed on first page. -Mike.

Unmagnified red dots don't need eye relief.

[jmeck]

See-through scout mount $45 shipped, ( G&G member price).
NcStar 2-7x30 scope $40-$50 ( just about anywhere)
Being able to use your iron sights and put your rifle back to stock in minutes, Priceless
I think I've been converted to a scout scope man,and its you guys fault

[Justus]

OK, so after a few months or so of envisioning the final end product I want my Natalia (33 Tula 91/30) to be, I have decided to keep it cheap, original condition, effective yet versatile. I'm going for the scout mount.

I like what Mike82 and others have done with their 91/30s. I have a slightly different idea (basically different parts) for mine. Although not a rare version, I want to keep the rifle as original as possible. I also do not want to have to remove the front sight if I don't have to, so it needs to be a bit higher than the low scout mounts I've seen.

My idea is to use a dovetail (3/8") to weaver (7/8") adapter:
UTG 11mm to Weaver Adapter, Adjustable. SCOPE MOUNTS.

and attach a high rise see-through offset weaver mount to that:
Leapers Accushot 1-Pc Offset Mount w/1" Rings, Weaver/Picatinny Mount. SCOPE MOUNTS.

I have heard some gripe about sliding mounts on the dovetail. I have decided I would be OK with drilling a very shallow indent in the dovetail (as my only permanent mod to the rifle) to give the stop screw a more solid grip. I think others have claimed success with that method.

Other than that I still wonder:
-if this setup would be high enough to allow me to leave the front globe sight on?
-if the base of the adapter is too long for the Mosin dovetail?
-if the aluminum will be subject to flexing or warping?

...and if anyone just has any other cautions or caveats before I attempt this. FYI, this is my first real rifle besides the kids' .22, and first time thinking of mounting anything to any of my firearms.

Thanks in advance for everyone's help!

[jmeck]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Justus

...and if anyone just has any other cautions or caveats before I attempt this. FYI, this is my first real rifle besides the kids' .22, and first time thinking of mounting anything to any of my firearms. Thanks in advance for everyone's help!

Justus, What you are planning on doing should work,however your basically mounting a mount on top of a mount. Too many parts,screws,clamps ect. I would use the first mount and a set of high scope rings so you will not have your scope view obscured by the front
sight. In mounting scopes the less amount of parts you use means less
things to come loose,or be out of alignment. Just my opinion.

[MilkMan]

Great post Mike. I plan on scouting my 91/30 when it comes in. I hate this waiting game. It's only been 9 days(I think) since I ordered it.... seems like an eternity though!!!!

[Justus]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jmeck

Justus, What you are planning on doing should work,however your basically mounting a mount on top of a mount. Too many parts,screws,clamps ect. I would use the first mount and a set of high scope rings so you will not have your scope view obscured by the front sight. In mounting scopes the less amount of parts you use means less things to come loose,or be out of alignment. Just my opinion.

Thanks for the reply jmeck. I have been admiring the crap out of your mounts. But right now, on this first one, I want to start out with a bargain basement versatile shooter.

I have thought about the high see-through rings. Actually, the high rings on the adapter was my last other option that I eliminated. Technically there's less parts using the offset mount as the rings are built into the mount. I figured it would be one less part. Plus, the offset provides an inch or so more eye relief depending how far back I can securely mount it. I could switch to the rings if it doesn't work out, unless you or others here really think its not worth it to even try the offset mount.(?)

I really wonder though if the setup is high enough for me to keep the front sight on? I thought the rings might be slightly higher but not enough to make the difference. Anyone with experience with the scout mount have a measurement of how high the mount has to be to get the globe out of view?

Couple more questions for anyone:

-If I do have to make a dimple in the dovetail for the adapter stop screw, what type of bit will I need for this metal?

-If I did get the high see-through rings instead of the 1pc mount, is there a way to mount a tiny replacement rear sight on the weaver adapter in between the rings that would be any bit functional or helpful? (a little ghost ring or peep would be sweet for a backup sight under the scope).

[Mike82]

lol, thanks man....yeah, the wait can be horendous(spelling?)....Justus, you started with an excellent idea, but when i imagined that, i recall a buddy doing a custom job on his TBI intake on his 350 truck engine....he wanted to maximize his air/fuel mixture by adding spacers between TB(fuel injected carb) and his intake manifold....he added one, then two, then three, finally got 5 in there with extended studs....they were 1.5 inches thick each....that's not only a nice high rise, but also alot of gaskets to go out, as he found out about 2k miles later. So as jmeck put it, yes, it could work if it were 1 piece, but with it being multiple pieces, you have a higher chance of things warping, bending, going out of alignment, coming loose, etc.

[Justus]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mike82

So as jmeck put it, yes, it could work if it were 1 piece, but with it being multiple pieces, you have a higher chance of things warping, bending, going out of alignment, coming loose, etc.

So, you're saying that even just high rings and the adapter wouldn't work?

eh... I think it may be a stretch, but I'm not convinced it won't hold. It's cheap enough I'll try it anyway. I plan to be very careful and meticulous, use loctite where appropriate, and not over-tighten.

If I can make the adapter solid with the top screw, I have a weaver rail on the Mosin. Then, it's just a matter of the one-piece offset mount and its ring clamps... right? Am I being overly-optimistic?

[Nolano]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jmeck

See-through scout mount $45 shipped, ( G&G member price). NcStar 2-7x30 scope $40-$50 ( just about anywhere) Being able to use your iron sights and put your rifle back to stock in minutes, Priceless I think I've been converted to a scout scope man,and its you guys fault

I like the mount. It fixes my main problem with scoping my Mosin, that I could no longer use the sights.
If I decide to scope it, this is probably what I'll use. Also very affordable compared to the other mounts actually capable of holding zero.