got the 91/59 and scope. now just waiting on the mount. any range reports for this setup?
any range reports given with this setup wouldn't do you any good. these mosins all shoot different. some are great shooters, some aren't. the thing to do is find a good shooter and then scope it to make it even better.
all that matters with the mount is that it works and stays tight. the fact that it's dirt cheap certainly adds to it's appeal.
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I decided to scout scope my Mosin as per this thread...
Initial review...
Total time of removing the rear and front sites and installing the scope took less than an hour. It really is a simple process. I also took the chance to clean up under the rear sight and "de-rusted" and reblued the rail. In the picture it looks like I have some more work to do there but I cannot see it with the naked eye
On the range...
Before heading out I bore sighted in the house at about 30'. This was good enough to get on paper at the 50yd range for some rough adjustments. Moved over to the 100yd and dialed in.
Overall the NcStar sight seems pretty good. Target is clear, is easy to sight in and does not suffer from noticeable distortion on the highest power setting. 7x is not quite enough to see the holes on a standard black target on a consistent basis. The long eye relief takes some getting used to but is certainly a workable sight system. The fault is the illuminated reticle as it seems to throw off the zero somehow, further testing is required to determine if this is true or just a fluke. Not an issue for me, but I guess it is kind of fun to use once in a while.
The scope mount is sturdy, and did not move even though 80 rounds went down range.
With this scope I shot my best group ever - 3/4" at 100yds. However, this was a fluke as most 3 shot groups were 2-3". Much of this is due to the craptastic trigger on the Mosin imho and not the bore.
The one noticeable issue I ran into was the huge change in POI as the barrel heated up.
I finished sighting in while hot, and then set the rifle down to "cool" for 10 minutes or so (it was 102 that day!). I loaded up a full magazine and started shooting. The first shot was 6" high, the next about 4-5", then 3-4" and then down into the bull. I repeated this process 3 times and each time, the "cold" gun needed 3 shots or so to get back into the "hot zero". Anyone else run into this or am I just nutz??? Not an issue at the range, but something to work on prior to hunting.
Overall a fun project, huge improvement on standard Mosin sights and good for the range. Thanks for this thread!
OK, I got the mount, the rings and the scope. Turns out the windage adjustable rings are 30mm and the scope is 1". Now I'm waiting on the inserts to get this thing mounted.
Darrell is making a new batch of M91/30 scout mounts. I have pre-ordered mine, should be a few still unclaimed.
those are nice on a m39 or a k31, but i don't see any reason for the extra expense or extra possible parts to loosen on a run of the mill 91/30. it's direct to the dovetail with a one-piece mount for me!
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i cant bump, i blew my 2 18" subwoofers in my truck, 1 rattles the coil and the other one has burnt coil....*cries*....shouldn't have put 40,000watts to them i guess.
i cant bump, i blew my 2 18" subwoofers in my truck, 1 rattles the coil and the other one has burnt coil....*cries*....shouldn't have put 40,000watts to them i guess.
AHAH SO HE IS MORTAL....man lose the speaker more mosin haulin power....and if you truck sponateously drives into the ocean use the mosin as an oar...NOT A FLOTATION DEVICE!
oh no, i could never use one as a float....1) salt water would enter barrel, that's bad and 2) alot of metal went into the making of those guns, lotsa metal = lotsa weight....i dont think the buoyancy of those are anywhere near the positive numbers....it'd be closer to it using me as a flotation device........but i could fend off the sharks with the 60+yr old ammo.
Update to my failed bump....i just melted the coil of 2nd sub 2 days ago....i ordered a new set of competition 18s....i should be ok now, atleas until thunder-on-the-water at grenada lake, then the amature competition may prove interesting....i can flex pane-glass windows at the walmart from 20yds away
i cant bump, i blew my 2 18" subwoofers in my truck, 1 rattles the coil and the other one has burnt coil....*cries*....shouldn't have put 40,000watts to them i guess.
Which is what we have the snivel, bitch, and cuss thread for!
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this is an observation on my scout scoping efforts. YMMV. First I tried the el cheapo ebay mount. Went on easy, but the windage was way off and since the pivit for elevation was basically in the exact center I didn't like the way it mounted on my 91/59. I then bought a pair of rings adjustable for windage only to realize that they were 30mm and my scope wasn't. So then I bought a pair of insets to reduce it to my scope diameter, but never used them. I also thought the elevation adjustment was iffy on the mount and read the threads regarding removing the sight base and decided to get an air rifle mount and try that. Worked nicely, but the recoil shifted the mounts. So then I cut a groove in the rear mount as mentioned and reinstalled the rear pin for the base mount which tamed the recoil.
I was probably trying to do too many things at once here, but I was also trying to work up a brush load and was using 180 gr round nose soft point bullets. Nothing I tried worked in the 91/59 and I decided that mounting a scope on a brush gun and shooting for 100 yard accuracy was a bit contradictory on a brush gun. I reinstalled the original sight base and repinned it and then installed a Mojo peep sight. To my mind that makes better sense on a brush gun.
Next I went through the same process on my 91/30 with good results. Sight holds well and is fairly low which is what I prefer. I was also able to come up with a good load for those 180 rn/sp slugs which will pattern roughly in the same place as my milsurp 147 grain loads. A bit higher actually, but still decent patterns.
I also put on an NCStar 2-7 scope in place of the 2.5 power scope I had been using and discovered something interesting (to me anyway). With the 2.5 scope I could use the normal cheek hold as I would with irons, but with reduced accuracy. As I increased the power of my adjustable scope I discovered that in order to center my eye with the scope I had to raise my head slightly which centered my eye with the scope and improved accuracy. It takes longer to acquire a sight picture, but results in improved patterns (touching at 100 yards using my elephant loads).
So, my impression of scout scoping. It is a nice and effective way to scope a rifle without drilling or making any changes, but it is a bit more finicky when it comes to achieving a proper sight picture. More practice may change that view. Higher power works by forcing you to be more centered behind your scope. 2.5 was fine for 100 yards, but 5X pushes you to get a better sight picture. I just have to raise my cheek off the stocvk a bit to get really centered. This may not be an entirely bad thing as I recently had a molar pulled from that side and firing my light artillery with my cheek pressed against the stock was an adventure in its' own right.
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...man lose the speaker more mosin haulin power....and if you truck sponateously drives into the ocean use the mosin as an oar...NOT A FLOTATION DEVICE!
....but i could fend off the sharks with the 60+yr old ammo.
