[MLN1963]

Good luck!

[chirp6]

Quote:       Originally Posted by hankhill33

Guys If you want to do this right and have a weapon that is very accurate, and easy to keep clean. Here is the method ,I have used on all my rifles for the last 26 years. 1: Go to Wally World and get the proper brush and cleaning patches. 2: Find the cheapist FACTORY ammo you can get, or your own realods. 3: Make sure the bore is clear and clean. 4: Place targets at 50 yrds ..NOTESighting and Break in can be done at the same time.) 5:Load 1 round and fire 6:Pull bolt 7:1 pass threw bore from the breach with brush 8:1 pass threw bore frome the breach with patch 9: Replace Bolt 10: load and fire 1 round 11:Repeat steps 5 threw 9 until you have fired 10 rounds 12: Then do the same thing but now you fire 5 shot between cleaning 13: Firing 4 groups of 5 total (20 rounds) 14: Now groups of 10....till you reach a grand total of 100 combined At the end of all this you will have filled the micoscopic holes in the bore and lapped the rifleing and your rifle will love you for it HANK

Does this have to be done with all the same ammo type or weight? Also, can I do it over a couple trips to the range or should it be doe all at once? Thanks for the information.

[Gorozog]

i think it is done over a few trips to the range. i think a 100 rounds of .30-06 in one trip to the range might make you develop a flinch, and probably bruise your shoulder pretty good. just my advice. i didn't do this with my gun. i just went to the range and shot a box every weekend for 4 weeks. ran a bore snake after every shot. once i shot the whole box i would clean it with patches and a brush

[jasonl]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Since the Mossberg line of boltaction were introduced Marlin has introduces there line of boltaction rifles. I'm not here to stir the pot but the Marlins are selling for a little less than the ATR's are. I don't think anyone can go wrong buying either one. I like them both though I don't own nither one. Actually I enjoy hearing the Mossbergs have turned out to be a very good rifle. The new 930 semi-auto shoutgun I bought, I would put up against any higher dollar model !!! Hey Hey !!! and LOL !!!...A.H

Yeah I agree. I would like to get an XS-7 in 7mm-08, but I would like it with a wooden or laminate stock like they offer the XL-7 in. As far as the ATR I have nothing but good things to say about my .308. I would buy another if the made a 7mm-08. The Mossberg was well recieved and has creeped up in price over the last 2 years and with the popularity of the Xl & Xs-7's I assume their prices will creep up also.

[jasonl]

Well I went to the range yesterday for some annual sighting in and practice. I was shooting ok, but not even close to what I was last year. Probably about a 3" group @ 100 yards. Last season I was touching 2 out of every 3 shots and the one that wasn't touching was about 1/2-3/4 off. The wind was a little gusty yesterday so I could factor that a little, but it still made no sense. I came home and apon cleaning my rifle I noticed that my barrel was no longer "free floating" as there was pressure at the front right ( I have the wooden stock .308 ). I took the stock off and very gingerly sanded the high spot with a wooden dial that had a piece off 150 grit wrapped around it. It didn't take much and I had it all back together. Voila, the old dollar bill was sliding free again. I could only figure my stock had swollen a bit?

Today I go back to the range and first 3 shots were about 1" triangle @ 100 yards. Again there was a decent 10-15mph wind so I wrote it off and was happy my old girl was a shooter again. Then it happened........ My second round would pop up and cause a feed jam. It was everytime the round feeding from the left side of the magazine. I loaded and unloaded the gun several times and this happened about 85% of the time. I knew it had to be something I did in my reasembly so I wasn't sweating it. I tried cycling the bolt slow,medium, fast and it would happen no matter what speed. It appeared the magazine slide (or whatever it's called) wasn't coming up perfectly straight and would kind spring and cause the shell to pop out of the action as the bolt was pushing it causing the jam. I immediately remembered this post. I took the gun apart and put it back together several times with no luck as it continued to happen. Finally I took the box out of the stock and pressed it onto the barrel assembly and it held there on it's own. I then made extra carefully sure the spring was seated in the groove in the bottom of the stock, reached down through the ejection port and held the spring in place as I re-assembled. The gun "fell" right together, the previous times I had to kinda finangle the stock to seat it in place. I got it all bolted down and cycled 4 rounds through about 20 times and never had a mis-feed. Apparrently this internal box/spring/ guide is very sensative. I have had the stock off about 4 times and before this never had an issue so it can happen. If any one else is having a feed issue try this method and see if it works.

[Nevermisskiwi]

I recently bought one from a third party, (not a dealer) and found to be a great gun with good accuracy. I'm now on a 'downer' as I have just found a piece of the core of the barrel has come away and looks as though more is beginning to peel. It seems to be in the area of the Insignia stamping on the side of the barrel. It has only had 57 rounds put through it.
Mossberg havn't answered my emails about this and I know I cannot afford another barrel.
Other than that, I've had NO complaints at all.

Nevermisskiwi

[superman112581]

I'm new here. I've had my 30-06 atr going on 3 yrs now with the black synthetic stock. Great rifle. But I'm interested in adding a muzzle brake to it. Also I want to change the stock to a thumbhole stock to make it look more tactical. Anybody know where I could get these 2 items?

[Delbert]

Superman, you can find a muzzle break at QUE Industries. As to the stock--good luck! I've been looking and asking around for a couple years now, as I want a nice laminate stock for my ATR 30-06. It seems that with the synthetic stock, nobody can make a stock AND also make a trigger guard/screws to go along with it. I heard (thru the grapevine) that a Savage stock will possibly interchange, but nobody has a Savage rifle near me to experiment with.
Del

[kemojr]

I have owned an ATR 100 270 for four years. It has been reasonably accurate, light and easy to carry. I have fired four shots in the past three years and killed four deer. This year 2009-2010 I had a large buck in front of me but when I pulled the trigger nothing happened. I ejected and loaded again. Pulled the trigger and same thing happened. I think I must have a broken firing pin although someone told me if I had gotten any moisture or excess oil in the firing pin sleeve and it was cold, it was in the low twenties, the pin might stick. Whats your opinion on it? I have been shooting since I was six, various firearms from 22's to 12 gauges and never had a misfire before. Will take it to a gunsmith to get it checked this week.

[rifleman14]

Quote:       Originally Posted by kemojr

I have owned an ATR 100 270 for four years. It has been reasonably accurate, light and easy to carry. I have fired four shots in the past three years and killed four deer. This year 2009-2010 I had a large buck in front of me but when I pulled the trigger nothing happened. I ejected and loaded again. Pulled the trigger and same thing happened. I think I must have a broken firing pin although someone told me if I had gotten any moisture or excess oil in the firing pin sleeve and it was cold, it was in the low twenties, the pin might stick. Whats your opinion on it? I have been shooting since I was six, various firearms from 22's to 12 gauges and never had a misfire before. Will take it to a gunsmith to get it checked this week.

take it to the range when the rifle is still warm, then try to fire it. or, just take apart the bolt(if you know how) and see for yourself

[jasonl]

Quote:       Originally Posted by kemojr

I have owned an ATR 100 270 for four years. It has been reasonably accurate, light and easy to carry. I have fired four shots in the past three years and killed four deer. This year 2009-2010 I had a large buck in front of me but when I pulled the trigger nothing happened. I ejected and loaded again. Pulled the trigger and same thing happened. I think I must have a broken firing pin although someone told me if I had gotten any moisture or excess oil in the firing pin sleeve and it was cold, it was in the low twenties, the pin might stick. Whats your opinion on it? I have been shooting since I was six, various firearms from 22's to 12 gauges and never had a misfire before. Will take it to a gunsmith to get it checked this week.

I had this happen to me with a new Remington once. It was bear season, in the 20's and my gun wouldn't fire. A guy I was hunting with told me Remington puts a pretty heavy grease in their bolts from the factory and it was sticking due to the cold. Was he right??? I dunno, but I ran rem oil down through the bolt and let it sit all night and it never did it again. I also had a NEF 12 gauge pump shotgun do the same thing in February. I put the rem oil to the bolt and it never did it again. Needless to say when I bought my ATR the first thing I did was let rem oil work down through the bolt. I add a few drops as part of my cleaning routine now.......

[waterdog]

I have a ATR in .308 shoots 150grn fmj 3/4 in. @ 100yrds can't complain ,bout that, handels very well. Waterdog.

[gamehunter]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Nevermisskiwi

I recently bought one from a third party, (not a dealer) and found to be a great gun with good accuracy. I'm now on a 'downer' as I have just found a piece of the core of the barrel has come away and looks as though more is beginning to peel. It seems to be in the area of the Insignia stamping on the side of the barrel. It has only had 57 rounds put through it. Mossberg havn't answered my emails about this and I know I cannot afford another barrel. Other than that, I've had NO complaints at all. Nevermisskiwi

Hey NMK give Malcolm at kilwell sports in Rotorua a call they are the mossberg agents here in new zealand and they handle warranty issues for mossberg don't worry about going direct to the manufacturer for the enquiries it is better to go to the local importers. Also Malcolm is a qualified gunsmith so he would do the repair himself and then bill mossberg for it he is very helpful and a great guy.

[kemojr]

As I posted a few days ago, I had a misfire with a large deer in front of me. First misfire I have ever had . I took the gun to a reputable gunsmith. He said the rifle had a modular bolt and sometimes minute debris would be left in the hard to clean parts when it left the factory and after awhile the debris would work its way into the firing pin channel and clog it to the point that the firing pin would stick. Thats what the problem was. Not a broken firing pin. Besides cleaning the bolt he also buffed a piece of metal off the outside of the bolt so the bolt would function smoother and test fired the rifle for me. Charged me for an hours labor at a reasonable rate and I got it back the same day.
I had called a reputable gun dealer before when I was looking for a gunsmith and the owner asked me if I wanted to take the gun to a "real" gunsmith. I took it to the one recommended and it was fixed by a "skilled" gunsmith. I think that was what he meant by a "real" gunsmith.
As I have said, three years ago when I started deer hunting I did not want to spend alot of money on a rifle so I settled on the Mossberg.. Except for the aforementioned problem it has served me well.
From my meager experience I would recommend taking a rifle to a skilled gunsmith if you have any problem not only for the repair but for the knowledge you can gain by talking to someone who really knows his stuff.
Hope this post was helpful.

[gunrat]

great thread. i am looking at the atr as a first dedicated hunting rifle. i started hunting for the first time in over 20 years this past deer season and enjoyed it greatly. i have been hunting with an old mosin. i can see that i will have as much or more money in converting the bolt and adding a scope as i would have to spend on an entry level hunting rifle/scope, i would start with a "new" mosin im keeping this one original. i have read mostly good things about the accuracy but it seems reliability may be an issue.

are these issues mainly user created problems?

is there reason to doubt bolt design or are the horror stories freak occurences?

are the newer atrs better than earlier designs?

im not a huge range guy but i do go shoot between seasons and i plan to hunt pigs and coyotes in the off season.

thanks all

[rebelskins]

I just bought a .270 yesteday with the stock Mossberg scope at an auction for 205.00. Looks almost new, cant wait to try it.

Rick

[Delbert]

Welcome aboard Gunrat. I've owned my ATR in 30-06 for going on 4 yrs now. I too was a little scared when I found out about the bolt issue, BUT am now relieved to know that it's NOT due to Mossberg's design or quality issues. The problems originated with the owner of gun not knowing what they were doing when disassembling/reassembling the bolt and messed up and went ahead and fired weapon and hurt themself and BLAMED it on Mossberg to try and get some money out of it for their STUPIDITY. I found the case number and posted the results on this forum somewhere--when there was talk about Mossberg Injuries. Don't be scared of the gun. Also, for a cheaper cost rifle, the ATR is right up there with rifles costing much more. The biggest problem is finding the right ammo for the caliber your shooting. It may shoot great with 165gr. or it may be better with 100gr. I started out shooting 165gr Federal and bullets were placing 4" at 100 yds. Still good for a kill shot of a deer. I changed to 150gr Federal this year and with some re-zeroing in(new scope rings and bases) I've shot 4 back to back shots(no barrel cooling) that was smaller than size of Quarter at 100yds(see attachment). I understand, Mossberg barrels are by E R Shaw, and they're good. There has also been some ammo misfires. I've had this also, and I contribute this to "my fault" in that I didn't clean bolt mechanism when rifle was new. I have since cleaned bolt assembly and all is well. As to a few people having broken firing pins, I've NOT had this problem, and I contribute this to dirty bolt assembly from factory and grit in assembly gets caught around firing pin and puts a bind on it when firing, and if a person cleans the bolt from the heavy factory grease and manufacturing shavings, I think the firing pin problems would go away(especially in weather, around or below freezing). Who knows if newer ATR's are better than older ones, as I don't plan on getting another Mossberg as the one I have will serve me until I die. Yes, I have other guns with Ruger and Weatherby, but the Mossberg just feels comfortable and the Mossberg has all the popular calibers you need. It'll all depend on what caliber you want. As I said in my post, I have a 30-06 which has taken more game "IN THE WORLD" than pretty much all the other calibers combined(not counting dangerous African game). However if you don't want the heavier recoil, you have 270(long action) or 308(short action) calibers to choose from, and they're tops in safely taking anything up to Elk.
Delbert

[gunrat]

thanks alot for the input,

i just need a good no frills hunting gun and i liked the look and feel of the mossberg. i figured human error must be involved or there would have been a recall. i like the 30 06 its similar to the old mosin 7.62x54 in recoil which i dont mind. now i just got to go pick up my mossberg 30 06.

[Grunta]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Delbert

Welcome aboard Gunrat. I've owned my ATR in 30-06 for going on 4 yrs now. I too was a little scared when I found out about the bolt issue, BUT am now relieved to know that it's NOT due to Mossberg's design or quality issues. The problems originated with the owner of gun not knowing what they were doing when disassembling/reassembling the bolt and messed up and went ahead and fired weapon and hurt themself and BLAMED it on Mossberg to try and get some money out of it for their STUPIDITY. I found the case number and posted the results on this forum somewhere--when there was talk about Mossberg Injuries. Don't be scared of the gun. Also, for a cheaper cost rifle, the ATR is right up there with rifles costing much more. The biggest problem is finding the right ammo for the caliber your shooting. It may shoot great with 165gr. or it may be better with 100gr. I started out shooting 165gr Federal and bullets were placing 4" at 100 yds. Still good for a kill shot of a deer. I changed to 150gr Federal this year and with some re-zeroing in(new scope rings and bases) I've shot 4 back to back shots(no barrel cooling) that was smaller than size of Quarter at 100yds(see attachment). I understand, Mossberg barrels are by E R Shaw, and they're good. There has also been some ammo misfires. I've had this also, and I contribute this to "my fault" in that I didn't clean bolt mechanism when rifle was new. I have since cleaned bolt assembly and all is well. As to a few people having broken firing pins, I've NOT had this problem, and I contribute this to dirty bolt assembly from factory and grit in assembly gets caught around firing pin and puts a bind on it when firing, and if a person cleans the bolt from the heavy factory grease and manufacturing shavings, I think the firing pin problems would go away(especially in weather, around or below freezing). Who knows if newer ATR's are better than older ones, as I don't plan on getting another Mossberg as the one I have will serve me until I die. Yes, I have other guns with Ruger and Weatherby, but the Mossberg just feels comfortable and the Mossberg has all the popular calibers you need. It'll all depend on what caliber you want. As I said in my post, I have a 30-06 which has taken more game "IN THE WORLD" than pretty much all the other calibers combined(not counting dangerous African game). However if you don't want the heavier recoil, you have 270(long action) or 308(short action) calibers to choose from, and they're tops in safely taking anything up to Elk. Delbert

Hi Delbert,

i own a 4x4 .270 in laminate stock and love it. as above, you say the guy put the bolt back together incorrectly - aren't they idiot proof? i.e only one way to go back together?

Also, my first shot is generally a way of my intended spot, but the following shots are pretty good. Anyone else with this sort of problem?

Cheers all

Grunta

[Delbert]

Welcome Gunta. They are somewhat IDIOT PROOF, but there's Idiots out there that proves that Darwin is still alive. Really, not knowing or seeing the bolt, I don't know what the person did to mess it up. I'm only going on what was presented(at trial) that He didn't put it back together correctly, and his Friend said to not shoot it(apparently friend noticed something wrong), but IDIOT shot rifle anyway and bolt came flying back into his body. As to shooting these rifles, you will notice sometimes that the first shot(because of cold barrel) will place the bullet at a different spot than intended(generally within a couple inches). That's why as you keep shooting throughout the session you'll get your shots going where you want them at the bullseye, because the barrel is now warmed up and scope adjustments are made with warm barrel by the time session is finished, so the next shooting session, those next first couple shots will make you think---WTF, but with a couple more shots, you're back on bullseye again. The shots won't be but a inch or so off, so they will still be well within the kill zone. I will say this, that this is the first rifle that I've owned, and had to try out a bunch of different makes and manufactures of ammo to find that "RIGHT AMMO" the rifle really liked. I made a mistake in my other post, in that I said Federal ammo(which I tried), but the rifle REALLY LIKES---Remington Core-Lokt 150gr. With all other ammo, it was always close to bullseye, but just never would hold the same spot twice and would keep drifting all around target. I kept thinking it was my scope. Trust me, these rifles can be tempermental about the ammo, but once you find the right stuff---they WILL make you proud. Some people are lucky and find the right ammo on the first try, but I wasn't so lucky. I'm gonna try my hand at some handloaded stuff soon, so I hope the rifle likes what I feed it. I've gotten a Weatherby Vanguard in 243win that is tempermental also, and I'm still playing around with the ammo with it. It came with a supplied factory shot target, and I tried the ammo used, but it just doesn't work for me and the way I shoot or sight in a rifle, and I've been shooting for over 45yrs. with hunting and targets, so most of the time, you HAVE to make something work with the gun in order that it shoots to it's potential. It might be a change of ammo. Or a change to a better quality scope, or steel rings instead of aluminum rings and same with ring bases. Or, just holding your head on the cheek piece, in a better position. Once you find the right combination, you'll be amazed at how a gun will shoot, compared with how it shot before.
Del