Moseeberg's new 464 lever action

GlockMeister · 04-23-2008, 12:47 AM

So what do you all think of Mossberg's new 464 lever action?

In my June 2008 Shooting Times magazine that came today they have a really good article on it. I've only glanced at and quickly browsed the pages so far but it looks nice anyhow. Picture attached and link to below...

Receivers drilled and tapped for a scope, capacity 7 which is pretty much standard. And I see a sweet little .22 in this model coming in fall of '08 as well, holds 14. Hmmmm. Maybe have to go that route rather then the Ruger 10/22 route?

O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. - Firearms, Shotguns, Rifles, Accessories, and Precision Machining

ArkansasHunter · 05-05-2008, 12:53 AM

Well LOL !!! I don't guess anyone thinks much of it LOL

oldjarhead · 05-05-2008, 01:20 AM

Looks like it's based on the Win M-92.
What caliber(s)?
Something new from Mossberg...about time.
Are the reviews good?

After looking at their site...this just may give Mossberg a slight hedge over Marlin; and a big leap ahead of Winchester (price-wise).

GlockMeister · 05-05-2008, 01:35 AM

So far only 30-30 and .22. And I think based more on the M94 though? The M92 had a slight curve in the butt pad/plate didn't it?

oldjarhead · 05-05-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

So far only 30-30 and .22. And I think based more on the M94 though? The M92 had a slight curve in the butt pad/plate didn't it?

Yes, it did but so did the early 94's. Put a crescent butt on this rifle and it would really resemble the 92 or early 94. It's a good looking rifle though regardless which one it's based on. Personally I'm glad to see Mossberg start to expand their models...hope Savage will follow suit.

GlockMeister · 05-05-2008, 01:54 AM

Hopefully they'll expand it even more and make available many of the "other" superb calibers of the Winchesters?

Ballbearing · 07-15-2008, 01:31 AM

I want one. How much do they retail for? Thank you Mossberg!

Niko911 · 07-15-2008, 03:51 AM

haha no..why would you get that mossberg .22 instead of the ruger 10/22? But it is sure purdy.

nathangdad · 07-15-2008, 04:42 AM

as this style is one of the most famous in American history. Perhaps some crafty executive at Mossberg will bring forth other historical designs at affordable prices and high quality performance.

Mike Franklin · 07-15-2008, 06:22 AM

If Mossberg had made it in a standard pistol caliber and if it held 10 rounds the Cowboy Shooters would have made a market for it. As it is, it doesn't meet CAS standards or Cowboy needs.

billy · 07-15-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Niko911

haha no..why would you get that mossberg .22 instead of the ruger 10/22? But it is sure purdy.

i would much rather have that than another 10-22

Ballbearing · 07-15-2008, 11:19 PM

I like Mossberg. I own a .22 plinkster that shot straight right out of the box. It's got a friggin' black plastic stock and it looks like hell, but it works. And in the end, that's what really matters. If this new model 94 variant (And don't kid yourself, that's what it is, and I LIKE IT!) is built as well as the rest of their products have been ever since the company was founded, then it ought to be a damn good ratchet repeater. I cannot contain myself until i put one in my gun cabinet. BTW: you guys do know this is not their first rodeo, right? A few decades back, Mossberg put out a Marlin clone, and it didn't do well, and why not? Because real Marlin's were still available for only a few bucks more. But this is different, because Winchester quit, pulled out, and gave up. It was one of the worst days in my life when Winchester announced the death of the model 94, i actually cried. I knew the 94 wasn't dead though, it's too much gun. It was designed by a genius, John Moses Browning, and has been too well loved and too successful. Over 7 million were made from 1894 to 2006. The rifle is a masterwork of design. It trades off the mega-caliber strength of the 1886 and the 1895 for lightness and portability, still chambered in medium caliber rounds like 38-55 Win. and .30 WCF (.30-30), that can still more than down medium game like white-tailed deer, and do it either in the open, or in light brush. At that job, the 94 excels like no other rifle. This new Mossberg, and i don't think the number 464 was an accident, the first 4 represents before, or "pre", the 64 should be self explanitory. Mossberg is trying to tell us that they're making them like Winchester used to, before 1964. If they can build a gun that's only goes half that far in quality, they're going to get my money. And i think Mossberg can do it. Thank God it's an American gun company doing this and not some South American, European or Asian gun company. Only an American gun company, with a history like Mossberg, could truly understand what us U.S. shooters and hunters want and need in a tough little brush gun like the 464. I can't wait to get one and get it to the range.

ArkansasHunter · 07-15-2008, 11:29 PM

If you ever get to handle a Mossberg 464 30-30 you'll find the action is different and the gun writer's or testers are saying it's actually a better design or an improvement.
It is a very different action than the 94...And I too hope it is successful.
My new Mossy 930 semi-auto 12ga. shotgun is ultra nice too...A.H

Windwalker · 07-16-2008, 07:52 AM

Waiting to see the .22.

Ballbearing · 07-16-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

Waiting to see the .22.

Go to the Mossberg website and go to the specifications page and click on the model number and a huge photo will come up. The .22 isn't quite as pretty as the centerfire version, but it's still pretty groovy.

Ballbearing · 07-17-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

If you ever get to handle a Mossberg 464 30-30 you'll find the action is different and the gun writer's or testers are saying it's actually a better design or an improvement.
It is a very different action than the 94...And I too hope it is successful.
My new Mossy 930 semi-auto 12ga. shotgun is ultra nice too...A.H

I've seen some photos of the action close up. They've created a bridge at the back of the receiver like on a bolt action and it looks like they've moved the locking lugs to the front and rounded the top of the bolt. The lever looks the same and the bottom of the frame still drops out with the lever when you cycle the action. It looks like they've made the action just about as strong as possible without making the rifle too heavy. When you make a 100 yard brush gun, you want it light and packable. You wouldn't want to be packing a 9 pound rifle all day, that would get old real quick. But i think this rifle will be able to handle some pretty stout cartridges. Mossbergs website is asking for votes on which calibers we want them to produce the rifle in, and among them is .444 marlin, which is a really stout cartridge. If this gun can handle that, then it can handle cartridges that can take just about any game. The gun is drilled and tapped for a top scope mount and i just wonder how long it's going to be before someone mounts a picatinny rail and red dot and laser sights and turns it into "Leverzilla". As for me, if i had my pick, i'd have it in .35 Remington, and use it without a scope for hunting deer. This looks like such a high quality rifle, i want to get mine as soon as possible, because i don't think Mossberg is going to be able to keep selling it for four hundred bucks for very long. I'm don't intend to wait one second beyond the day that Mossberg announces a .35 Remington chambering. When they do that, i'll turn off my computer and jump in my car and go to the gun shop and order one.

ArkansasHunter · 07-17-2008, 12:52 PM

B-B I sat in this chair and voted and revoted for the 35 Remington.
If Mossberg came out with a 35 Remington I would order one as quick as possible.

I read a gun test on the 464 30-30 and like I said above the writer(s) claimed it had a better designed action than the Win. 94.
I guess over time we'll know if it's a dandy. But right now the 30-30 is a little weak in the accuratecy dept.

Lastly what I've seen with there other recently introduced guns Mossberg is churning out some mighty fine firearms.

I bought a model 930 12ga. semi-auto and it's wonderful !!! Great shooter, feels and looks good.
Super smooth action which is smoother than my model 1100 magnum.

The gas system is the same as Browning and Winchester use's...Active Valve.

The ATR and 4X4 rifles looked to be well made and there accurate.

I'd put my 930 against a Bennelli any day !!!...A.H

Ballbearing · 07-18-2008, 12:29 AM

I wonder if the 464 is fitted to take Leverrevolution cartridges? Leverrevolution cartridges have a pointed spitzer bullet with a rubber tip that won't set the next round off in a tubular magazine. But the cartridges won't feed right in a standard tubular magazine, you have to have a special follower. The spitzer bullets increase range and accuracy in the 30-30 and every other lever caliber. As you know, normal pointed bullets can act as firing pins in a tubular magazine, with unfortunate results. But the rubber tip on these bullets won't so much as dent a primer. They've been thoroughly tested. If the 464 is set up to handle them, a 30-30 wouldn't be such a limited gun. I'm not sure, but i think the cartridges are made by Hornady.

ArkansasHunter · 07-18-2008, 01:19 AM

B-B I just now read in OutDoor Life magazine that Leverevolution 160 grain ammo was used in there testing of the Mossberg 464 30-30. So it will handle the stuff.
It grouped 2.5 to 3" with the 160gr. Hornady ammo.
I'd like to know how it groups with run of the mill 30-30 ammo now I bet it will do better.
The test is in the June/July issue...A.H

05-05-2008, 01:20 AM	#3
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pottersville, MO Posts: 682 Trader Rating: (0)	Looks like it's based on the Win M-92. What caliber(s)? Something new from Mossberg...about time. Are the reviews good? After looking at their site...this just may give Mossberg a slight hedge over Marlin; and a big leap ahead of Winchester (price-wise). Last edited by oldjarhead; 05-05-2008 at 01:27 AM.

05-05-2008, 01:35 AM	#4
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,943 Trader Rating: (0)	So far only 30-30 and .22. And I think based more on the M94 though? The M92 had a slight curve in the butt pad/plate didn't it? __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

05-05-2008, 01:54 AM	#6
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,943 Trader Rating: (0)	Hopefully they'll expand it even more and make available many of the "other" superb calibers of the Winchesters? __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-15-2008, 04:42 AM	#9
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,256 Trader Rating: (0)	This is a good marketing coup by Mossberg as this style is one of the most famous in American history. Perhaps some crafty executive at Mossberg will bring forth other historical designs at affordable prices and high quality performance.

07-15-2008, 06:22 AM	#10
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,277 Trader Rating: (0)	If Mossberg had made it in a standard pistol caliber and if it held 10 rounds the Cowboy Shooters would have made a market for it. As it is, it doesn't meet CAS standards or Cowboy needs. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

05-05-2008, 12:53 AM	#2
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,521 Trader Rating: (0)	Well LOL !!! I don't guess anyone thinks much of it LOL

07-15-2008, 01:31 AM	#7
Ballbearing Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Boondocks Posts: 125 Trader Rating: (0)	I want one. How much do they retail for? Thank you Mossberg!

07-15-2008, 03:51 AM	#8
Niko911 Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 116 Trader Rating: (0)	haha no..why would you get that mossberg .22 instead of the ruger 10/22? But it is sure purdy.

07-15-2008, 11:19 PM	#12
Ballbearing Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Boondocks Posts: 125 Trader Rating: (0)	I like Mossberg. I own a .22 plinkster that shot straight right out of the box. It's got a friggin' black plastic stock and it looks like hell, but it works. And in the end, that's what really matters. If this new model 94 variant (And don't kid yourself, that's what it is, and I LIKE IT!) is built as well as the rest of their products have been ever since the company was founded, then it ought to be a damn good ratchet repeater. I cannot contain myself until i put one in my gun cabinet. BTW: you guys do know this is not their first rodeo, right? A few decades back, Mossberg put out a Marlin clone, and it didn't do well, and why not? Because real Marlin's were still available for only a few bucks more. But this is different, because Winchester quit, pulled out, and gave up. It was one of the worst days in my life when Winchester announced the death of the model 94, i actually cried. I knew the 94 wasn't dead though, it's too much gun. It was designed by a genius, John Moses Browning, and has been too well loved and too successful. Over 7 million were made from 1894 to 2006. The rifle is a masterwork of design. It trades off the mega-caliber strength of the 1886 and the 1895 for lightness and portability, still chambered in medium caliber rounds like 38-55 Win. and .30 WCF (.30-30), that can still more than down medium game like white-tailed deer, and do it either in the open, or in light brush. At that job, the 94 excels like no other rifle. This new Mossberg, and i don't think the number 464 was an accident, the first 4 represents before, or "pre", the 64 should be self explanitory. Mossberg is trying to tell us that they're making them like Winchester used to, before 1964. If they can build a gun that's only goes half that far in quality, they're going to get my money. And i think Mossberg can do it. Thank God it's an American gun company doing this and not some South American, European or Asian gun company. Only an American gun company, with a history like Mossberg, could truly understand what us U.S. shooters and hunters want and need in a tough little brush gun like the 464. I can't wait to get one and get it to the range.

07-15-2008, 11:29 PM	#13
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,521 Trader Rating: (0)	If you ever get to handle a Mossberg 464 30-30 you'll find the action is different and the gun writer's or testers are saying it's actually a better design or an improvement. It is a very different action than the 94...And I too hope it is successful. My new Mossy 930 semi-auto 12ga. shotgun is ultra nice too...A.H

07-16-2008, 07:52 AM	#14
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0)	Waiting to see the .22. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

07-17-2008, 12:52 PM	#17
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,521 Trader Rating: (0)	B-B I sat in this chair and voted and revoted for the 35 Remington. If Mossberg came out with a 35 Remington I would order one as quick as possible. I read a gun test on the 464 30-30 and like I said above the writer(s) claimed it had a better designed action than the Win. 94. I guess over time we'll know if it's a dandy. But right now the 30-30 is a little weak in the accuratecy dept. Lastly what I've seen with there other recently introduced guns Mossberg is churning out some mighty fine firearms. I bought a model 930 12ga. semi-auto and it's wonderful !!! Great shooter, feels and looks good. Super smooth action which is smoother than my model 1100 magnum. The gas system is the same as Browning and Winchester use's...Active Valve. The ATR and 4X4 rifles looked to be well made and there accurate. I'd put my 930 against a Bennelli any day !!!...A.H

07-18-2008, 12:29 AM	#18
Ballbearing Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Boondocks Posts: 125 Trader Rating: (0)	I wonder if the 464 is fitted to take Leverrevolution cartridges? Leverrevolution cartridges have a pointed spitzer bullet with a rubber tip that won't set the next round off in a tubular magazine. But the cartridges won't feed right in a standard tubular magazine, you have to have a special follower. The spitzer bullets increase range and accuracy in the 30-30 and every other lever caliber. As you know, normal pointed bullets can act as firing pins in a tubular magazine, with unfortunate results. But the rubber tip on these bullets won't so much as dent a primer. They've been thoroughly tested. If the 464 is set up to handle them, a 30-30 wouldn't be such a limited gun. I'm not sure, but i think the cartridges are made by Hornady.

07-18-2008, 01:19 AM	#19
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,521 Trader Rating: (0)	B-B I just now read in OutDoor Life magazine that Leverevolution 160 grain ammo was used in there testing of the Mossberg 464 30-30. So it will handle the stuff. It grouped 2.5 to 3" with the 160gr. Hornady ammo. I'd like to know how it groups with run of the mill 30-30 ammo now I bet it will do better. The test is in the June/July issue...A.H