Just a few rookie questions - Page 2

08-18-2002, 09:26 AM

SKS's are cheap carbines. Start the kid off right.
Heck we're talking about Texas. There are firearms ALL over the place!

One of you "Texans" should take this boy and his Mum to a Gun show and start him off good.

Kid, one thing you have to remember. Some of these firearms are 50 years and older. They are not spring chickens.

My 1944 M1 Garand is on it's third barrel.

Every one know the Mauser action is the most copied and widely used action in the world. They can't be half bad! 8mm will makes some big holes :-)

Here is my rookie suggestion:

Take someone with you, or read all you can one the rifle you want. The main things you have to look at are barrel life and bolt lug stripping.

A good measure of barrel life is to buy ONE 8mm dummy round Folks get nervous if you use a live one). You can get one at any gun show for a couple of bucks.

You insert the bullet into the muzzle of the rilfe. If the bullet slides down and hits the shell. It's worn to or past it's limits.

Bolt lugs are easy. They need to be square. Some have rounded edges. If you remove the bolt and the lugs are rounded in an illregular shape. Then they are most likely past thier limits.

Find pictures and read that's your best bet!

http://www.swampworks.com/Swampy%27s...o%20M48-A.html

http://home.thezone.net/~k98k/K98_k98k.html

See what I found, and wasn't even looking!

The 98 Mauser looks dang cool too. I have no idea what the difference is, but by the time you read this I may ;-)

Oh BTW I've looked into the Mausers and the Mosin Nagant. (ok guys you can blast away any time now)

IMHO, They are both priced about the same. The Mosin Nagant 91/30 seems like a better rifle.

I like the 7.62x54 over the 8mm. The stuff I've read. The Ruski's kicked the Krauts butts Kill ratio wise. (I only looked at the sniper numbers)

Next time I'm at the Local Gun show. I may just have to look at them :-)

alan c. · 08-18-2002, 08:47 PM

1 * thanks! I don't deserve as much.

BattleRifleG3 · 08-19-2002, 10:11 AM

Have you fired such a rifle yet? I've fired one and it seems fine, but make sure it's right for you. My one complaint is the buttstock is a little small for me. Not nearly as bad as an AK's though. Anyone who's heard my comments on the subject before can tell that I like big butts and I cannot lie.
About your Mauser intentions... What do you plan to do with the rifle? Any intentions to scope it? Hunt with it? Put a bayonet on it? That would be a big factor in deciding which one to get.

collinthib · 08-19-2002, 03:39 PM

I intend to customize or "sporterize" it for target shooting. I want to use it in deer season as well

Klaus · 08-19-2002, 04:16 PM

There are good hunting stocks available for the M-N rifles. The 7.62x54R is about equal to a stiff .30-06.

collinthib · 08-19-2002, 06:37 PM

Ya, I've heard you can run into problems when trying to rebore or restock some of the Mausers.

Indy · 08-19-2002, 06:51 PM

Like most of these contributors, I have my share of Mausers. A rough count about 10, but I have 6 Mosins. All are fun to shoot.

When you bring the rifle home. It will need to be cleaned. All I have seen have cosmoline all over them. In fact, the stocks are the worst and they are black. Send another post after your purchase and we can take you through the steps of disassembly and cleaning. You may want to have the headspace checked by a gunsmith.

The Turks are very accurate especially with military surplus ammunition. The Turk ammunition is pretty hot and corrosive. (If you use corrosive ammo make a solution of 50% household ammonia and 50-% water and run a soaked patch down the barrel. I wait about a minute and then clean the bore as normal. Don't forget to wipe the face of the bolt too. The ammonia solution neutralizes the corrosive salts.) Keep in mind the military ammo is not for hunting. Some states have laws which forbid it's use. The 8mm and the 7.62 x 54 are both adequate for hunting with the right projectiles.
If you compare the mausers and mosins it's sort of a toss-up on the best. I believe the mausers are more accurate, especially a Swede or a Persian. Keep in mind that is only my opinion. If you decide on a Mosin, the M39 is the preferred option. It is a Russian Mosin receiver captured by the Finns and reworked. The Finns added a new barrel and stock.
If you want to sporterize the rifle there are many options. I personally just prefer to clean them up and add a scout scope mount with a long eye relief scope.
Sorry for rambling, but there are a lot of things to consider. Read everything you can before you buy. You are the one to please.
Feel free to ask anything,
Indy

collinthib · 08-19-2002, 07:23 PM

Thanks for the info, and you weren't rambling, I need all the help I can get. Hell, I don't even know what headspace is. Haha. Going from .22 pistols to 8mm rifles is a big ****ed jump.

alan c. · 08-19-2002, 08:14 PM

What happened to your DOB. Now you are old enough to use bad adult language? You don't have to use ****** to join the team. Most of us don't. Unless we are really ticked off.

collinthib · 08-19-2002, 08:31 PM

hahaha. I'll keep that in mind, Alan. thanks.

alan c. · 08-19-2002, 08:39 PM

Collin I wish you the best -- Just don't try to grow up to quick. Enjoy the teenage years and respect the freedom you have to own firearms and every thing else will follow. Today's society is just to fast of a pace -- even for me. God Bless.

NRAJOE · 08-19-2002, 08:40 PM

You listen to granpa alan you young whippersnapper or he'll tan your dadgum hide with a switch!

alan c. · 08-19-2002, 08:45 PM

NRA--good to hear from you. My grandmother used to threaten me with a peach tree limb. You know those things hurt like the dickens. The bad thing was I had to get the switch myself.

NRAJOE · 08-19-2002, 08:50 PM

Yup, same here or else the paddle that came with a rubber ball on it with a rubber band. When the rubber band broke and there was no more ball to whack...WHACK!... on your bottom with that paddle! Still can't look at those things without a sharp pain on the 'ol butt cheeks!

alan c. · 08-19-2002, 08:52 PM

HA--Right On.

Hud · 08-19-2002, 10:35 PM

You mentioned you wanted to sporterize the 8mm, use it for deer hunting and money was a consideration.

Here is a picture of what I did to a Mod98, 8mm that is my "truck rifle".

It is a CESKOSVENSKA ZBROJOVKA, A.,S., BRNO action. I don't know if that is good or bad.

The rifle cost me $80. The rifling was gone in the last few inches of the barrel. I cut the barrel off with a hacksaw at the last stepdown on the barrel, then filed it smooth. I chamfered the muzzle with a round head screw in a drill using the head as a bit. Worked out well. It shoots a 2", five shot group, at 100 yards. Plenty good for deer hunting.

The stock was laminated, high grade plywood really. It is still the same military stock, I just carved it down a little and stained it green.

Had a gunsmith install scopemounts, a new saftey on the bolt, and bend the bolt handle. I think he charged me $60. Most would usually charge more though. Then I installed a old Weaver scope I had laying around. (a $40 Tasco would work). And then I spent $20 on a rubber but pad that I installed when I carved down the stock. Oh yeah and $15 for sling swivel studs.

So I have got about $175 into it. You would probably have more into yours but you could do it a little at a time and still use it in the mean time.

I do not care for the saftey I had installed. I intend to install a new trigger that has a saftey on it.

Hud

collinthib · 08-19-2002, 11:07 PM

That looks nice, Hud. Looks almost just like a 98, cept the barrel's shorter. Good job.

wes · 08-20-2002, 12:07 AM

Hud,ya done a good job on that rifle,looks nice.

08-18-2002, 09:26 AM	#21
Armorer Guest Posts: n/a	SKS's are cheap carbines. Start the kid off right. Heck we're talking about Texas. There are firearms ALL over the place! One of you "Texans" should take this boy and his Mum to a Gun show and start him off good. Kid, one thing you have to remember. Some of these firearms are 50 years and older. They are not spring chickens. My 1944 M1 Garand is on it's third barrel. Every one know the Mauser action is the most copied and widely used action in the world. They can't be half bad! 8mm will makes some big holes :-) Here is my rookie suggestion: Take someone with you, or read all you can one the rifle you want. The main things you have to look at are barrel life and bolt lug stripping. A good measure of barrel life is to buy ONE 8mm dummy round Folks get nervous if you use a live one). You can get one at any gun show for a couple of bucks. You insert the bullet into the muzzle of the rilfe. If the bullet slides down and hits the shell. It's worn to or past it's limits. Bolt lugs are easy. They need to be square. Some have rounded edges. If you remove the bolt and the lugs are rounded in an illregular shape. Then they are most likely past thier limits. Find pictures and read that's your best bet! http://www.swampworks.com/Swampy%27s...o%20M48-A.html http://home.thezone.net/~k98k/K98_k98k.html See what I found, and wasn't even looking! The 98 Mauser looks dang cool too. I have no idea what the difference is, but by the time you read this I may ;-) Oh BTW I've looked into the Mausers and the Mosin Nagant. (ok guys you can blast away any time now) IMHO, They are both priced about the same. The Mosin Nagant 91/30 seems like a better rifle. I like the 7.62x54 over the 8mm. The stuff I've read. The Ruski's kicked the Krauts butts Kill ratio wise. (I only looked at the sniper numbers) Next time I'm at the Local Gun show. I may just have to look at them :-) Last edited by Armorer; 08-18-2002 at 02:08 PM.

08-18-2002, 08:47 PM	#22
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,748	1 * thanks! I don't deserve as much. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

08-19-2002, 10:11 AM	#23
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401	Have you fired such a rifle yet? I've fired one and it seems fine, but make sure it's right for you. My one complaint is the buttstock is a little small for me. Not nearly as bad as an AK's though. Anyone who's heard my comments on the subject before can tell that I like big butts and I cannot lie. About your Mauser intentions... What do you plan to do with the rifle? Any intentions to scope it? Hunt with it? Put a bayonet on it? That would be a big factor in deciding which one to get. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-19-2002, 03:39 PM	#24
collinthib Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Groves, TX (30 min. from Beaumont) Posts: 33	I intend to customize or "sporterize" it for target shooting. I want to use it in deer season as well __________________ My hobbies are guns and chasing girls. They don't mix, of course, and the guns are probably much safer!

08-19-2002, 04:16 PM	#25
Klaus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 2,383	There are good hunting stocks available for the M-N rifles. The 7.62x54R is about equal to a stiff .30-06. __________________ "Gee, Wally, Eddie Haskel's mom puts out!"

08-19-2002, 06:37 PM	#26
collinthib Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Groves, TX (30 min. from Beaumont) Posts: 33	Ya, I've heard you can run into problems when trying to rebore or restock some of the Mausers. __________________ My hobbies are guns and chasing girls. They don't mix, of course, and the guns are probably much safer!

08-19-2002, 06:51 PM	#27
Indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 331	Like most of these contributors, I have my share of Mausers. A rough count about 10, but I have 6 Mosins. All are fun to shoot. When you bring the rifle home. It will need to be cleaned. All I have seen have cosmoline all over them. In fact, the stocks are the worst and they are black. Send another post after your purchase and we can take you through the steps of disassembly and cleaning. You may want to have the headspace checked by a gunsmith. The Turks are very accurate especially with military surplus ammunition. The Turk ammunition is pretty hot and corrosive. (If you use corrosive ammo make a solution of 50% household ammonia and 50-% water and run a soaked patch down the barrel. I wait about a minute and then clean the bore as normal. Don't forget to wipe the face of the bolt too. The ammonia solution neutralizes the corrosive salts.) Keep in mind the military ammo is not for hunting. Some states have laws which forbid it's use. The 8mm and the 7.62 x 54 are both adequate for hunting with the right projectiles. If you compare the mausers and mosins it's sort of a toss-up on the best. I believe the mausers are more accurate, especially a Swede or a Persian. Keep in mind that is only my opinion. If you decide on a Mosin, the M39 is the preferred option. It is a Russian Mosin receiver captured by the Finns and reworked. The Finns added a new barrel and stock. If you want to sporterize the rifle there are many options. I personally just prefer to clean them up and add a scout scope mount with a long eye relief scope. Sorry for rambling, but there are a lot of things to consider. Read everything you can before you buy. You are the one to please. Feel free to ask anything, Indy

08-19-2002, 07:23 PM	#28
collinthib Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Groves, TX (30 min. from Beaumont) Posts: 33	Thanks for the info, and you weren't rambling, I need all the help I can get. Hell, I don't even know what headspace is. Haha. Going from .22 pistols to 8mm rifles is a big ****ed jump. __________________ My hobbies are guns and chasing girls. They don't mix, of course, and the guns are probably much safer!

08-19-2002, 08:14 PM	#29
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,748	What happened to your DOB. Now you are old enough to use bad adult language? You don't have to use ****** to join the team. Most of us don't. Unless we are really ticked off. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

08-19-2002, 08:31 PM	#30
collinthib Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Groves, TX (30 min. from Beaumont) Posts: 33	hahaha. I'll keep that in mind, Alan. thanks. __________________ My hobbies are guns and chasing girls. They don't mix, of course, and the guns are probably much safer!

08-19-2002, 08:39 PM	#31
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,748	Collin Collin I wish you the best -- Just don't try to grow up to quick. Enjoy the teenage years and respect the freedom you have to own firearms and every thing else will follow. Today's society is just to fast of a pace -- even for me. God Bless. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas. Last edited by alan c.; 08-19-2002 at 08:41 PM.

08-19-2002, 08:40 PM	#32
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 18,893	You listen to granpa alan you young whippersnapper or he'll tan your dadgum hide with a switch! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-19-2002, 08:45 PM	#33
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,748	NRA--good to hear from you. My grandmother used to threaten me with a peach tree limb. You know those things hurt like the dickens. The bad thing was I had to get the switch myself. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

08-19-2002, 08:50 PM	#34
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 18,893	Yup, same here or else the paddle that came with a rubber ball on it with a rubber band. When the rubber band broke and there was no more ball to whack...WHACK!... on your bottom with that paddle! Still can't look at those things without a sharp pain on the 'ol butt cheeks! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-19-2002, 08:52 PM	#35
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,748	HA--Right On. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

08-19-2002, 11:07 PM	#37
collinthib Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Groves, TX (30 min. from Beaumont) Posts: 33	That looks nice, Hud. Looks almost just like a 98, cept the barrel's shorter. Good job. __________________ My hobbies are guns and chasing girls. They don't mix, of course, and the guns are probably much safer!

08-20-2002, 12:07 AM	#38
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,906	Hud,ya done a good job on that rifle,looks nice.

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