[aris_unlimited]

As some of you know I custom ordered a leupold scope a while back. I have had it for a bit now and it seems to shoot ok. That being said I expected it to shoot a lot better. So I called leupold and told them of my problem, basically I figured that my adjustment was off, I would adjust my turrets and they would move my shot a lot farther than they should (scope is 1/4 moa adjust).

Leupolds suggestion was to take it out shooting. Shoot once in the bottom left hand corner of a target. Click 16 clicks (4 inches) up and shoot again. Another 16 to the right, then 16 down, then 16 left. And theoretically my shots should make a 4 inch box with 2 shots in the original position.

Took the scope out. Shot my first shot and got about where I expected (fine tuning has been out of the question with the adjust off as it is). Adjusted 16 up and my bullet jumped up pretty high. I went and measured, the second bullet was 7 inches high. Being curious as I am I brought the adjustment down to where I should have been hitting 1 inch high (4 clicks above normal setting), and the bullet hit 3 inches high.

Needless to say my scope is definitely out of adjustment. I did check left to right as well, and realized I was getting almost 1 inch of movement per click, rather than 1/4 for 1 click.

Leupold did assure me that they would be willing to fix everything under warranty, as I expected that they would. I must admit though I am a little disappointed with leupold over this. After paying darn near $1,000 for a scope I expected it to do better than this. I paid about $300 for a mueller target scope that now needs adjustment (2-3 years later, crosshairs are hanging up) and they have the same warranty that leupold does and are going to fix/replace it for the cost of shipping.

Maybe I am wrong on this one, but with this being my first leupold scope I am really disappointed with the outcome thus far. Hopefully my opinion will change when I get the scope back fixed.

[ChaZam]

They haven't made the claim that their scopes will never have a problem sir. Their claim is that if their scopes has a problem they will fix it.

And they will.

[GlockMeister]

And something you can also try is to take both adjustments to one end and count the clicks to the other end of the scale and then divide by 2 and turn them both back that many clicks and it should center the scope. Then make sure you have it properly mounted. It's why I invested in a Wheeler professional scope mounting kit. It's a sure way of eliminating the rings being bad or off as well as the rings grabbing the scope evenly among other things. I think once you've done this, and if all is OKay, then any issues have to be with the scope. And if they insist on you doing the same thing again or further testing or adjustments, tell them you'll be more then happy to if they provide the ammunition as it's not cheap.

But if you make sureit's mounted correctly/properly, the rings are aligned and grabbing the scope evenly, and if after that it's still off, you pretty much know for sure it's the scope. Then tell them to send you an RA for repair or replacement.

[Purdy]

Ditto the proper mounting. If the scope rings aren't perfectly parallel and aligned it can put a bind on the scope tube and result in the "clicks" being inconsistsnt.

[aris_unlimited]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ChaZam

They haven't made the claim that their scopes will never have a problem sir. Their claim is that if their scopes has a problem they will fix it. And they will.

I understand things have problems. But being that leupold is at the higher end of the scope spectrum and that I paid about $1k and that it was done at the custom shop meaning someone actually went through it before it shipped, I think it should be problem free. To be honest I am just getting sick of buying things brand new, quality products no less and having problems with them. Seems build quality is going down on everything now a days.

As for mounting the scope, believe me it is properly mounted.

[lefty o]

leupold is usually a quality midrange scope, they are far from top end, but the #1 selling point of a leupold is the warranty. when buying a leupold, your paying for the name and the warranty.

[Palladin8]

box it up and send it in. They will make it right. When buying a Leupold I wouldn't buy anything under a VXIII as there are better lower end scopes out there for cheaper. Leupolds target and tactical scopes are top notch.

[GlockMeister]

I agree with boxing it and sending it in. But the reason I said to check things first is so you can say hey, this is what it's doing and this is why. If you send it in and it's because the rings and or mount is off, you're sending it is going to be a waste of time. Unless it being improperly mounted or the rings being over tightened did something to the scope. Again, why I bought a Wheeler Professional scope mounting kit. I might not use it all that often, but when I need it it's there and only using it once and it making sure the rings are properly aligned and grabbing the scope and all that paid for itself on the first use.

I'm just sayin'.

[aris_unlimited]

I have had the scope mounting checked and reinstalled by my gunsmith. He even changed to the rings that he prefers, and it still does it so that was of no help. I am planning on sending it in and getting it fixed. I just don't like the fact that I have to do that already, figured some other people on here might understand that. But then again I don't like buying anything that doesn't work perfectly right after I get it. Actually there are a couple of gun manufacturers that I outright avoid because I have had problems with their guns right after I bought them.

As for purchasing the VXIII, it is a VXIII.

Sadly enough I can't help comparing it to my old Nikon. Can't even remember the model of that scope, but it was the cheapest they offered. And I never had a problem with that scope. Almost makes me wonder why I paid so much more for a scope .

[GlockMeister]

We understand it. In fact, I'm quite sure, positive in fact, that some here have experienced and been through exactly what you're going through and understand completely what 're saying. And feeling.

But you have to realize, those people, and those who've replied/commented, myself included, also understand that there is a certain amount of human error that can be a part of and or cause of the problem. That's not to say, or saying that that's the case here.

So please don't blame or be mad at anyone because they don't or didn't automatically jump on the I hate Leupold bandwagon. It doesn't mean no one feels for what you're going through. That said, as previously mentioned, Leupold has a very good warranty. So please, by all means, send it in.

[aris_unlimited]

I didn't expect anyone to jump on a "I hate leupold" band wagon. But it certainly would have been nice to learn that other people are getting as sick of the crappy quality control that seems to be plaguing our nation at this point. 5 years ago I never had this many problems with this type of stuff. Now it seems I encounter problems with guns or gun related accessories constantly.

Also, if I had gone out campaigning against leupold, believe me it would have been a lot worse.

[Farmer]

I bought one 20 years ago, after about 5 years i had a problem, too it to my gunshop who posted it to the states, they fixed it polished it set it back to the same point i sent it as, then showed me the result of their testing along with a letter apologising for the problem and explaining what they did. All for free, undre warranty

After 5 more years and many thousands of round later still perfect

[aris_unlimited]

Well I have gotten my scope back (for the 3rd time now). I have had to send it in twice to get it fixed, once was because they screwed up the reticle and the other time was for the adjustment problem. Should be solved, right? Wrong! Somehow now the scope doesn't have enough adjustment in it. I have turned the scope almost all the way down to get my bullet to be about where it should be at 200 yards. Then I realized I was hitting about a foot right. So I started to adjust for left bullet impact. Ran out of room for adjustment and the scope still isn't set. I installed the scope myself, and I rarely have problems with any scope installs I do. But just on the off chance I screwed it up I am going to have it reinstalled by my gunsmith. If it is still out of adjustment leupold will be giving me a refund, as I believe that this scope is a piece of crap and there is no fixing it.

[Twitch2120]

Hmm, well. Do you have a canted rail? How high over bore is your scope. I've seen both that had been installed wrong and killed elevation adjustments. Also, how much torque are you putting on the rings? Most call for 15 inch pounds. Over torqueing can bend the tube and erector within.

On a side note, funny how any unit in the military runs like hell from leupold if they can... American made doesn't mean quality.

[aris_unlimited]

I am not using a canted setup. Not exactly sure how high over bore my rings are, haven't measured but I would guess the bottom of the scope tube on the ring is about an inch over it. Funny thing is the scope would get zeroed in before it just had horrible adjustments. Now I can't even get it sighted in. And I am using the same scope mounts I used before! I didn't even take them off of the gun while I had the scope out, so I know they are in the exact same position as they were when the scope left. I am thinking I am going to get a refund and buy myself another Nikon. Since that is the only scope brand I have ever purchased that I have never had a problem with. Although I have high hopes for the bushnell I just got in.

[Twitch2120]

Not sure what your requirements for a scope are but look at the SWFA super snipers and or sightron sIII. Both offer the same glass quality or better than the loopy with better qc and service for similar price.

[mauser9]

Amazing how some of these high end scopes would have any problems. Took a chance on a Bushnell XTL for $125 and so far seems to be OK. Time will tell. Anybody else have any experience with this line?