chrome or nickel ?

07-03-2005, 09:44 AM

which finish of these two, do you like ?

rebel727 · 07-03-2005, 10:11 AM

Nickel. It's not as shiny but it's more durable.

07-03-2005, 04:15 PM

I've been trying to find out which is more corrosion resistant :right:

lefty o · 07-03-2005, 07:41 PM

hard chrome.

Troy · 07-04-2005, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lefty o

hard chrome.

that's what i have been finding as well.

07-04-2005, 08:29 AM

I've never seen any nickel plated trailer hitches...

NRAJOE · 07-04-2005, 08:53 AM

Neither...polished stainless..

07-04-2005, 09:26 AM

I'm thinking about buying a Browning Hi Power which isn't available in polished stainless..not any other kind of stainless either

lefty o · 07-04-2005, 12:36 PM

if you look around, you may be able to find a NIB hi power in hard chrome. in my opinion regular chrome/nickel looks cheap on a gun.

georgeld · 07-06-2005, 12:55 AM

From what I've seen of silver guns:

The old guns that were nickle plated most show peeling in places.

Nickle IS GREAT on brass, keeps it from getting so dirty and staining, but, with enough usage it will wear off.

Far as silver guns IMHO stainless is the only way to go, but, we need to keep it in mind this hasn't been availible too many years and it still WILL stain somewhat with some type's of exposure. Depending on what type stainless steel is used to make them, if there's not enough nickle content, it can still rust. One of the best ways to check for better quality of stainless is with a magnet. IF it's fully stainless steel the magnet will NOT stick to it. I haven't tried that on guns, but, that's been my experience welding.

George

07-06-2005, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeld

From what I've seen of silver guns:

The old guns that were nickle plated most show peeling in places.

Nickle IS GREAT on brass, keeps it from getting so dirty and staining, but, with enough usage it will wear off.

Far as silver guns IMHO stainless is the only way to go, but, we need to keep it in mind this hasn't been availible too many years and it still WILL stain somewhat with some type's of exposure. Depending on what type stainless steel is used to make them, if there's not enough nickle content, it can still rust. One of the best ways to check for better quality of stainless is with a magnet. IF it's fully stainless steel the magnet will NOT stick to it. I haven't tried that on guns, but, that's been my experience welding.

George

okay..once again the Browning Hi Power isn't available in stainless..as I go looking for a magnet to try on my Gold Cup

07-06-2005, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeld

One of the best ways to check for better quality of stainless is with a magnet. IF it's fully stainless steel the magnet will NOT stick to it. I haven't tried that on guns, but, that's been my experience welding.

George

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logansdad

as I go looking for a magnet to try on my Gold Cup

the magnet stuck..not very well but it still stuck

lefty o · 07-06-2005, 10:42 AM

the stainless in firearms all has carbon in it, so it is magnetic and it will rust. all stainless steels rust, some just do it faster- thats why they call it stainless instead of rustless.

07-06-2005, 11:39 AM

tried it on my Smith & Wesson model 681 .357 magnum too :target: stuck to it too

07-20-2005, 06:59 PM

hard to even find a Browning Hi Power anymore

Johnny_Revolver · 07-20-2005, 07:21 PM

Its been a while since I had this in my head ( ie: had anything chromed ) but in the triple chroming process I think stuff gets a layer of nickle plate and something else, then the final chromium plating. Hard chrome or hard facing like on hydraulic rams and stuff is different to this normal chrome plating process. I also subscribe that bright shiney mirror like finishes on guns is a bit odd. Although I will prolly get my old single barrel chromed as I think it would be cheaper than blueing, so what sorta hypocrite am I?

07-20-2005, 07:43 PM

while I will admit that shiny finishes aren't the best choices from a tactical perspective :target: I like them because of the rust resistance

that's it :spaceship

Johnny_Revolver · 07-20-2005, 07:53 PM

I figure my single barrel shot gun, I can run tape along the barrel to cut the glare. Its just that my brother bought it in 1969 or 70 and I started useing in in 1980, the bore is perfect and I wouldnt dare part with it....

11-19-2005, 11:19 AM

John Browning was perhaps the most gifted firearm designer of the 20th century. His contributions to firearm design set the stage for a hundred years of firearms production as we know them today. His influences are in nearly every "modern" design. He was responsible for one of America's most prestigious production-firearm nameplates, as well as providing this country's military service arms and a very large number of her sporting ones for most of the last century.

His father was a pioneer firearms designer, and taught the craft to John and his brothers as children. Though not nearly as well known as his famous son, some remarkable (for their time) firearms came off of his workbench. A tour to the Browning museum in Ogden, UT will provide a few examples of his work, including a beautiful single shot rifle (a Model 1878 if I recall correctly) built shortly before his death, and inscribed by him.

By the the 1920's, John Moses Browning had already designed most of the firearms that would make him famous the world over, including many of the Winchester rifles, and several Colt pistols including the U.S. service pistol, Model 1911.

With World War I providing a bitter lesson in the use of modern firearms to the French military, it decided to pursue a modern semi auto replacement for it's aging service revolvers. Though they had been evaluating them for several years, the post WWI period provided the French an opportunity to finally put some specifications to the design of pistol they desired. The first recorded request called for large automatic pistol, of 9mm caliber, with a long (nearly 8") barrel, and 15 shot capacity not to weigh more than 2.2lbs. It was also to have a graduated rear sight, and a removable shoulder stock. (I will mention here as well as later my thanks for much of this information coming from R. Blake Stevens' exhaustive research on the Hi Power's history)

The specifications were received at Fabrique Nationale in Belgium, with whom John Browning had worked for years. There are some accounts that show that John Browning immediately went to work on a pistol to meet these criteria, while others of the famed FN engineer Dieudonne Saive providing Mr. Browning with the initial high capacity magazine designs. However the beginnings, John Browning produced two models of pistol for the French trials of 1922. Both featured 15 rd magazines and graduated rear sights, but had different operating mechanisms, and were slightly over the weight restriction. The second design, a locked breech and striker fired pistol was the one selected by FN to further pursue the French contract. It was this pistol, with some improvements that was John Moses Browning's last pistol design, the patent being granted in February, 1927 shortly after his death. As Mr. Stevens' Hi Power reference (The Browning High Power Automatic Pistol) mentions, it is interesting to note that while the patent contained many detailed descriptions of the pistols function, nothing is mentioned of the then very exotic high capacity magazines. It was thought that a description of the magazine would aid rivals in their own design pursuits.

The French trials of 1922 led FN's Mr. Saive to further development on a short version of the Model 1922. He dispensed with the striker assembly, and added a hammer and lightened the pistol somewhat. This became known as the Model 1923, and was noted as the finest pistol yet tested by the French during the 1923 trials, though still slightly over weight. Continued development of this pistol, known as the Grand Rendement, found Mr. Saive shortening the slide somewhat, and reducing the number of cartridges from 15+1 to 13+1 in an attempt to bring the pistol's weight to within the French specification. At this point the pistol retained it's original "breech bolt" concept, and had a "stepped" upper slide and was a bit thick in the upper grip area. But the Hi Power's graceful lines were just starting to show in the trigger guard, and front of the slide. Fn actually started marketing this pistol as soon as 1927.

By 1928, Colt's patent protection had run out on the 1911, and Mr. Saive began his third update to John Browning's original design utilizing some of the features Mr. Browning had incorporated into the 1911, but had been unavailable to FN because of the patent time limits. The Model 1928 dispelled completely with the bulky breech bolt assembly, and the the P35 as we know it today was readily apparent with the addition of a 1911 style barrel bushing and a straight grip. By 1931 the pistol featured a curved backstrap and the fixed bushing of today's Hi Power. The pistol was completed and ready for production in 1934, being offered with either a tangent style adjustable or standard fixed rear sight. It was slim, held thirteen cartridges, and was the most advanced military pistol available. Production began, and in May of 1935, Belgium accepted the first 1000 pistol order from FN sealing the Hi Power's designation of Model 1935 forever. With a state of the art design, and the swirling murkiness of events counting down to World War II, The Browning Hi Power stood on the brink of becoming the most widely used military pistol in history.
:target:

Apollyon67 · 11-19-2005, 08:56 PM

well, they chrome line bbls, right?

View Poll Results: chrome or nickel ?
chrome	7	41.18%
nickel	10	58.82%
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07-03-2005, 09:44 AM	#1
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	chrome or nickel ? which finish of these two, do you like ?

07-03-2005, 10:11 AM	#2
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 1,545	Nickel. It's not as shiny but it's more durable. __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

07-04-2005, 08:53 AM	#7
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,051 Images: 3	Neither...polished stainless.. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

11-19-2005, 08:56 PM	#20
Apollyon67 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 2,235 Images: 17	well, they chrome line bbls, right? __________________ "To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish." Ben Franklin

07-03-2005, 04:15 PM	#3
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I've been trying to find out which is more corrosion resistant :right:

07-03-2005, 07:41 PM	#4
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,797	hard chrome.

07-04-2005, 08:29 AM	#6
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I've never seen any nickel plated trailer hitches...

07-04-2005, 09:26 AM	#8
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I'm thinking about buying a Browning Hi Power which isn't available in polished stainless..not any other kind of stainless either

07-04-2005, 12:36 PM	#9
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,797	if you look around, you may be able to find a NIB hi power in hard chrome. in my opinion regular chrome/nickel looks cheap on a gun.

07-06-2005, 12:55 AM	#10
georgeld Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 22	From what I've seen of silver guns: The old guns that were nickle plated most show peeling in places. Nickle IS GREAT on brass, keeps it from getting so dirty and staining, but, with enough usage it will wear off. Far as silver guns IMHO stainless is the only way to go, but, we need to keep it in mind this hasn't been availible too many years and it still WILL stain somewhat with some type's of exposure. Depending on what type stainless steel is used to make them, if there's not enough nickle content, it can still rust. One of the best ways to check for better quality of stainless is with a magnet. IF it's fully stainless steel the magnet will NOT stick to it. I haven't tried that on guns, but, that's been my experience welding. George

07-06-2005, 10:42 AM	#13
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,797	the stainless in firearms all has carbon in it, so it is magnetic and it will rust. all stainless steels rust, some just do it faster- thats why they call it stainless instead of rustless.

07-06-2005, 11:39 AM	#14
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	tried it on my Smith & Wesson model 681 .357 magnum too :target: stuck to it too

07-20-2005, 06:59 PM	#15
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	hard to even find a Browning Hi Power anymore

07-20-2005, 07:21 PM	#16
Johnny_Revolver Gun Liker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,209 Blog Entries: 6	Its been a while since I had this in my head ( ie: had anything chromed ) but in the triple chroming process I think stuff gets a layer of nickle plate and something else, then the final chromium plating. Hard chrome or hard facing like on hydraulic rams and stuff is different to this normal chrome plating process. I also subscribe that bright shiney mirror like finishes on guns is a bit odd. Although I will prolly get my old single barrel chromed as I think it would be cheaper than blueing, so what sorta hypocrite am I?

07-20-2005, 07:43 PM	#17
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	while I will admit that shiny finishes aren't the best choices from a tactical perspective :target: I like them because of the rust resistance that's it :spaceship

07-20-2005, 07:53 PM	#18
Johnny_Revolver Gun Liker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,209 Blog Entries: 6	I figure my single barrel shot gun, I can run tape along the barrel to cut the glare. Its just that my brother bought it in 1969 or 70 and I started useing in in 1980, the bore is perfect and I wouldnt dare part with it....

11-19-2005, 11:19 AM	#19
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	John Browning was perhaps the most gifted firearm designer of the 20th century. His contributions to firearm design set the stage for a hundred years of firearms production as we know them today. His influences are in nearly every "modern" design. He was responsible for one of America's most prestigious production-firearm nameplates, as well as providing this country's military service arms and a very large number of her sporting ones for most of the last century. His father was a pioneer firearms designer, and taught the craft to John and his brothers as children. Though not nearly as well known as his famous son, some remarkable (for their time) firearms came off of his workbench. A tour to the Browning museum in Ogden, UT will provide a few examples of his work, including a beautiful single shot rifle (a Model 1878 if I recall correctly) built shortly before his death, and inscribed by him. By the the 1920's, John Moses Browning had already designed most of the firearms that would make him famous the world over, including many of the Winchester rifles, and several Colt pistols including the U.S. service pistol, Model 1911. With World War I providing a bitter lesson in the use of modern firearms to the French military, it decided to pursue a modern semi auto replacement for it's aging service revolvers. Though they had been evaluating them for several years, the post WWI period provided the French an opportunity to finally put some specifications to the design of pistol they desired. The first recorded request called for large automatic pistol, of 9mm caliber, with a long (nearly 8") barrel, and 15 shot capacity not to weigh more than 2.2lbs. It was also to have a graduated rear sight, and a removable shoulder stock. (I will mention here as well as later my thanks for much of this information coming from R. Blake Stevens' exhaustive research on the Hi Power's history) The specifications were received at Fabrique Nationale in Belgium, with whom John Browning had worked for years. There are some accounts that show that John Browning immediately went to work on a pistol to meet these criteria, while others of the famed FN engineer Dieudonne Saive providing Mr. Browning with the initial high capacity magazine designs. However the beginnings, John Browning produced two models of pistol for the French trials of 1922. Both featured 15 rd magazines and graduated rear sights, but had different operating mechanisms, and were slightly over the weight restriction. The second design, a locked breech and striker fired pistol was the one selected by FN to further pursue the French contract. It was this pistol, with some improvements that was John Moses Browning's last pistol design, the patent being granted in February, 1927 shortly after his death. As Mr. Stevens' Hi Power reference (The Browning High Power Automatic Pistol) mentions, it is interesting to note that while the patent contained many detailed descriptions of the pistols function, nothing is mentioned of the then very exotic high capacity magazines. It was thought that a description of the magazine would aid rivals in their own design pursuits. The French trials of 1922 led FN's Mr. Saive to further development on a short version of the Model 1922. He dispensed with the striker assembly, and added a hammer and lightened the pistol somewhat. This became known as the Model 1923, and was noted as the finest pistol yet tested by the French during the 1923 trials, though still slightly over weight. Continued development of this pistol, known as the Grand Rendement, found Mr. Saive shortening the slide somewhat, and reducing the number of cartridges from 15+1 to 13+1 in an attempt to bring the pistol's weight to within the French specification. At this point the pistol retained it's original "breech bolt" concept, and had a "stepped" upper slide and was a bit thick in the upper grip area. But the Hi Power's graceful lines were just starting to show in the trigger guard, and front of the slide. Fn actually started marketing this pistol as soon as 1927. By 1928, Colt's patent protection had run out on the 1911, and Mr. Saive began his third update to John Browning's original design utilizing some of the features Mr. Browning had incorporated into the 1911, but had been unavailable to FN because of the patent time limits. The Model 1928 dispelled completely with the bulky breech bolt assembly, and the the P35 as we know it today was readily apparent with the addition of a 1911 style barrel bushing and a straight grip. By 1931 the pistol featured a curved backstrap and the fixed bushing of today's Hi Power. The pistol was completed and ready for production in 1934, being offered with either a tangent style adjustable or standard fixed rear sight. It was slim, held thirteen cartridges, and was the most advanced military pistol available. Production began, and in May of 1935, Belgium accepted the first 1000 pistol order from FN sealing the Hi Power's designation of Model 1935 forever. With a state of the art design, and the swirling murkiness of events counting down to World War II, The Browning Hi Power stood on the brink of becoming the most widely used military pistol in history. :target: