Hoppe's or Butch's gun cleaner

Mitchell · 11-17-2007, 10:39 PM

My Dad uses Butch's bore solvent and Butch's gun oil and says it works just fine. But I've been hearing a lot about Hoppe's stuff and was wondering which one everyone thought worked better?

gunney_m · 11-17-2007, 10:40 PM

I prefer Hoppe's.

lefty o · 11-18-2007, 07:13 PM

butchs bore shine is far and away the superior copper/powder solvent. hoppes aint even in the same league. hoppes still sells because of its reputaion from the "old days", not because how it works.

JBS · 11-19-2007, 01:09 AM

I ain't buyin' no more Hoppes, after I use this bottle up. Not good at all on removing copper fouling. This is my third day on a .243, working on copper. Soak bore, swab bore until patch comes out clean, brush bore swab bore, yadda yadda. Dam copper still coming out of barrel. I'm think going back to laquer thinner, or Butch's stuff. Or formaldehyde or something other than Hoppes. Like my good buddy Lefty said, it's living off it's old reputation. Must be making it in Bangladesh or China or somewhere else, these days.

Big Dog · 11-19-2007, 04:33 AM

I use Birchwood-Casey Bore Scrubber - much stronger and better than Hoppes! It has the ammonia to deal with corrosive surplus ammo, and gets out stuff Hoppes doesn't even know is there!

gunney_m · 11-19-2007, 05:21 AM

I guess ima have to try Butch's.

ArkansasHunter · 11-19-2007, 04:40 PM

Thanks Left O for the info...I was thinking Hoppes sucked on my new Ruger rifle...A.H

lefty o · 11-19-2007, 05:29 PM

no problem. ive used just about every solvent on the market, and have come down to 2 i use frequently, and one occasionally. for frequent use its butchs boreshine, and gunslick's foaming bore cleaner. for the occasional heavily fouling gun, i use sweets 7.62. sweets is worthless on powder fouling, but will remove copper better than any other.

rckymtnboy · 11-19-2007, 05:34 PM

Hoppe's has really fallen behind times, hasn't it? It's what my grandpa and dad used, but it has long been replaced in my cleaning supplies. Has anyone here used Blue Wonder? This stuff is amazing. It's a little pricey...about $8 a tube, but it will get anything off or out of your gun. It removes rust without harming the bluing, and is good on copper,lead and powder residue. Leaps and bounds from the old Hoppe's #9.

JSnover · 12-09-2007, 06:07 PM

M Pro 7 is doing a great job getting the copper out of my M700. Very little if any ammonia, too.

Johnnycat · 12-09-2007, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dog

I use Birchwood-Casey Bore Scrubber - much stronger and better than Hoppes! It has the ammonia to deal with corrosive surplus ammo, and gets out stuff Hoppes doesn't even know is there!

Amen! I love Birchwood-Casey Gun Scrubber, and their synthetic gun oil, too.

jerry · 12-09-2007, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSnover

M Pro 7 is doing a great job getting the copper out of my M700. Very little if any ammonia, too.

AKA Hoppes Elite. Good stuff.

Big Dog · 12-09-2007, 08:50 PM

RMB, I use the Blue Wonder when cleaning a new/old gun the first time, and to clean extremely fouled bores. It's too expensive for general cleaning, but it gets out stuff that even Bore-Scrubber misses! Great for a pitted milsurp bore!
I have their blueing kit too, but haven't used it yet.

billy · 12-10-2007, 05:52 AM

i use ed's red and sweets

11-17-2007, 10:39 PM	#1
Mitchell Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Essex, Iowa Posts: 56 Trader Rating: (0)	Hoppe's or Butch's gun cleaner My Dad uses Butch's bore solvent and Butch's gun oil and says it works just fine. But I've been hearing a lot about Hoppe's stuff and was wondering which one everyone thought worked better?

11-19-2007, 04:33 AM	#5
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,071 Trader Rating: (0)	I use Birchwood-Casey Bore Scrubber - much stronger and better than Hoppes! It has the ammonia to deal with corrosive surplus ammo, and gets out stuff Hoppes doesn't even know is there! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-09-2007, 08:50 PM	#13
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,071 Trader Rating: (0)	RMB, I use the Blue Wonder when cleaning a new/old gun the first time, and to clean extremely fouled bores. It's too expensive for general cleaning, but it gets out stuff that even Bore-Scrubber misses! Great for a pitted milsurp bore! I have their blueing kit too, but haven't used it yet. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-10-2007, 05:52 AM	#14
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	i use ed's red and sweets __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya!

11-17-2007, 10:40 PM	#2
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0)	I prefer Hoppe's.

11-18-2007, 07:13 PM	#3
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,695 Trader Rating: (0)	butchs bore shine is far and away the superior copper/powder solvent. hoppes aint even in the same league. hoppes still sells because of its reputaion from the "old days", not because how it works.

11-19-2007, 01:09 AM	#4
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 758 Trader Rating: (0)	I ain't buyin' no more Hoppes, after I use this bottle up. Not good at all on removing copper fouling. This is my third day on a .243, working on copper. Soak bore, swab bore until patch comes out clean, brush bore swab bore, yadda yadda. Dam copper still coming out of barrel. I'm think going back to laquer thinner, or Butch's stuff. Or formaldehyde or something other than Hoppes. Like my good buddy Lefty said, it's living off it's old reputation. Must be making it in Bangladesh or China or somewhere else, these days.

11-19-2007, 05:21 AM	#6
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0)	I guess ima have to try Butch's.

11-19-2007, 04:40 PM	#7
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,531 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks Left O for the info...I was thinking Hoppes sucked on my new Ruger rifle...A.H

11-19-2007, 05:29 PM	#8
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,695 Trader Rating: (0)	no problem. ive used just about every solvent on the market, and have come down to 2 i use frequently, and one occasionally. for frequent use its butchs boreshine, and gunslick's foaming bore cleaner. for the occasional heavily fouling gun, i use sweets 7.62. sweets is worthless on powder fouling, but will remove copper better than any other.

11-19-2007, 05:34 PM	#9
rckymtnboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: I am a dual resident. Posts: 340 Trader Rating: (0)	Hoppe's has really fallen behind times, hasn't it? It's what my grandpa and dad used, but it has long been replaced in my cleaning supplies. Has anyone here used Blue Wonder? This stuff is amazing. It's a little pricey...about $8 a tube, but it will get anything off or out of your gun. It removes rust without harming the bluing, and is good on copper,lead and powder residue. Leaps and bounds from the old Hoppe's #9. __________________ When they come for my guns, I'll give 'em the bullets first!

12-09-2007, 06:07 PM	#10
JSnover Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 186 Trader Rating: (0)	M Pro 7 is doing a great job getting the copper out of my M700. Very little if any ammonia, too.