pawn shop caracano

Thrawn · 11-17-2004, 09:29 PM

What are Caracanos worth?

did they ever come with a grey parkerizing? or parkerized at all? I don't know anything about these rifles except that italy and oswald used them.
I seen one in a pawn shop today, looked real nice. Can't remeber the price, but I do remeber the clerk thinking it was a sks variant.

(where did she come up with this I don't know...) It had a spike bayonet, it was'nt 8mm it was that italian caliber, and had a real nice shellaced or varnished stock. Does'nt looked bubba'ed.

spicybeefjerky · 11-17-2004, 09:49 PM

the ammo for carcano's is going to cost you a small fortune my brother in law has one...spends around 20-30$$ for a box of 20 rounds...i saw some at our last gun show buy one for $60 and two for $100...but those had paint on the stocks and looked like someone put them through a meat grinder. My brothers is the has the sniper barrel (extended by a couple of inches) shoots straight as an arrow.

PAPA G · 11-17-2004, 09:53 PM

if it has an adjustable rear sight it the M-91 cavalry carbine.

if the rear sight is fixed, then it would be a M-91/38 cavalry carbine.

they were never parkerized, blued metal.

worth??? hard to say, they used to be the cheapest thing around, but the price going up. one in average good shape could go for about a C-note. :nod:

Big Dog · 11-18-2004, 04:47 AM

Even reloading for them is limited - the headsize of the case is an oddball. You have to buy the expensive Norma brass (or loaded ammo) as noboby else makes it, IIRC.

I almost bought a nifty little fixed-sight carbine off a guy at the range, but the ammo issue kinda put me off. I like to shoot my guns, and I wasn't into reloading at that time.

G Hollingsworth · 11-18-2004, 07:34 AM

If we are talking about Kennedys murder weapon. It came in 6.5 and 7.7 and they killed more of the shooters than the shot at. It is pourely made and the steel is garbage. I did a test on one and it blew up quite easely. When i looked at the so called steel it was made from I thought " NO WONDER" Junk. I did the same thing to a Jap 7.7 and the steel looked like tool steel.

PAPA G · 11-18-2004, 08:30 AM

killed shooters??? a fallacy...there has never been a recorded death from a blown up Carcano. any one can blow up any gun if they try hard enough.

consider this, it was adopted in 1891, and used up to the 1960's. if a government issued an inherintly dangerous design, it would cause a mutiny in the troops, and start large investigations into why its bad.

Graf and Sons handles Hornady loaded ammo and components for the 6.5 carcano. the advantage of Hornady is the bullets are the correct diameter, weight and profile for the Carcano, most 6.5 bullets are .264 in diameter the Hornady is the correct .268.

also to reload the dies have to be the correct size for these larger bullets.

NRAJOE · 11-18-2004, 11:35 AM

Buwwaaaahaaaahaaaa! They are JUNK PAPA G!

PAPA G · 11-18-2004, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NRAJOE

Buwwaaaahaaaahaaaa! They are JUNK PAPA G!

maybe but at least their sights are straight!!!
snicker...snicker...gawfaw

NRAJOE · 11-18-2004, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

maybe but at least their sights are straight!!!
snicker...snicker...gawfaw

BASTAGE!

Just got rid of the last crooked sight one (SAR-1 had a little cant to it)...VEPR K and SLR101S are awesomely straight! Eyeballing a Kobra Red dot sight for my VEPR as we speak....SLR101S stays open sighted!

PAPA G · 11-18-2004, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NRAJOE

BASTAGE!

Just got rid of the last crooked sight one (SAR-1 had a little cant to it)...VEPR K and SLR101S are awesomely straight! Eyeballing a Kobra Red dot sight for my VEPR as we speak....SLR101S stays open sighted!

:cheer: :right:

jbarry · 12-14-2004, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

killed shooters??? a fallacy...there has never been a recorded death from a blown up Carcano. any one can blow up any gun if they try hard enough.

consider this, it was adopted in 1891, and used up to the 1960's. if a government issued an inherintly dangerous design, it would cause a mutiny in the troops, and start large investigations into why its bad.

I agree... The guy at my Local gun shop told me the Carcano killed more Italians than Germans did.... I looked into it some more online before getting one...
The more I looked into it, the more I think it really is a high quality rifle... (see THIS website for an example of one of my findings...)

It seems that while lots of folks say it is killing shooters, no one can give any specific accounts of any Carcano blowing up on someone who was operating it correctly...

I was convinced... I went out and picked one up for $45 at a local auction- and it's in great condition! That's the great thing about the Carcano- they're inexpensive!!

I agree the ammo is a bear to find... and spendy too! I figure If I really want to do a lot of shooting in this caliber I better start reloading... and maybe look into casting my own bullets... Although a little while back I did happen to stumble across a good deal for some 6.5 Carcano ammo on auctionarms (500 rds for $200 with 25 clips

)

anyway- there's my .02

spicybeefjerky · 12-14-2004, 08:42 PM

if i spent $200 on only 500 rounds

jbarry · 12-15-2004, 05:21 PM

yeah, I was pretty excited to get that deal...considering the 6.5 rounds usually sell for anywhere from $20 to $40 per box of 20.... I got 25 boxes @ $8 a box.

G Hollingsworth · 12-16-2004, 08:54 AM

This may be a long time in coming BUT the nice part is that papa and I can disagree. It is in fact a piece of crap and always will be. It only took a slight over load to destroy it. and I use "IT" because it doesn't desirve to be called a rifle. This is a dangerous so called weapon and all should realise it,if not let the buyer beware. I know of no other weapon that is so porely made. I fact it did blow up on some of the soldiers that use them,exactly why I can only speculate. Junk belongs in the junk pile.

Dennis · 12-16-2004, 03:14 PM

I once owned a carcano shot it
it was not remarkable.
the ammo was wayy expensive the clips where worse.
ya cant fire it with out the clips.
I havent heard of them being overly dangerous
it seemed just run of the mill
the safety is weird, the sights where uh well it took some getting used to.
I think like many people got one for the same reason I did a facination with tht Kennedy Assination.
Liveing in Dallas at the time I had that gun
I went out to the old rifle range on luna road
and went to the farthest right side shooting station.
and fired my Carcano, that was the place where Oswald practiced.

We kept enviting Bill Clinton to come to Dallas and have a motorcade and he just wouldnt show up

but seriously
carcano's are ok but rather mundain.

Big Dog · 12-16-2004, 04:58 PM

Yep, not much for shooting quality. My buddy wants one, but only because he's trying to collect an example of each major WWII combatant nation's rifles.

He's looking for a Jap rifle too. Specific model doesn't really matter - just to fill out the ol' WWII collection.

We have a gunshow this weekend, so we'll see what we can find.

PAPA G · 12-16-2004, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by G Hollingsworth

This may be a long time in coming BUT the nice part is that papa and I can disagree. It is in fact a piece of crap and always will be. It only took a slight over load to destroy it. and I use "IT" because it doesn't desirve to be called a rifle. This is a dangerous so called weapon and all should realise it,if not let the buyer beware. I know of no other weapon that is so porely made. I fact it did blow up on some of the soldiers that use them,exactly why I can only speculate. Junk belongs in the junk pile.

yeppers we can disagree. i have heard the story for years, yet have never ever seen a single shred of evidence.

G Hollingsworth · 12-17-2004, 07:48 AM

I do not believe that Kennedy was killed with a carcarno.not because of the rifle. I was not a Kennedy fan and I believe that our powers to be told us what some wanted to hear. My OPINION will always be JUNK. Nuf said about IT.

PAPA G · 12-18-2004, 12:47 PM

i will accept any and all unwanted Carcano's my address is available upon request

jbarry · 01-06-2005, 08:59 PM

Well, I finally got the guts to take the Carcano out and shoot it for the first time.... I was feeling a little hypocritical because I have touted it to actually be a safe gun, but then I had never shot mine...(i had only had it about 2 months) :insane:
It was actually a pretty fun shooter! I was very impressed with the accuracy of the rifle, and even more surprised at how little recoil it has....

Although I beleive I discovered why I got such a great deal on that ammo.... I'm guessing the low recoil is attributed to some pretty light loads, and then of course about 30% of them would not fire.

The nice thing about the ammo is that it came with 25 clips. I sold 22 of them on ebay for a profit of about $120... making the 500 rds cost me only $80... makes me feel a little better about the bad rounds...

So what do I do with the rounds that don't fire? Some of them will fire on the second try, and others not at all.... Just toss 'em? or is there something more "environmentally friendly" that I should do with them?

11-17-2004, 09:29 PM	#1
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	pawn shop caracano What are Caracanos worth? did they ever come with a grey parkerizing? or parkerized at all? I don't know anything about these rifles except that italy and oswald used them. I seen one in a pawn shop today, looked real nice. Can't remeber the price, but I do remeber the clerk thinking it was a sks variant. (where did she come up with this I don't know...) It had a spike bayonet, it was'nt 8mm it was that italian caliber, and had a real nice shellaced or varnished stock. Does'nt looked bubba'ed.

11-18-2004, 04:47 AM	#4
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,208	Even reloading for them is limited - the headsize of the case is an oddball. You have to buy the expensive Norma brass (or loaded ammo) as noboby else makes it, IIRC. I almost bought a nifty little fixed-sight carbine off a guy at the range, but the ammo issue kinda put me off. I like to shoot my guns, and I wasn't into reloading at that time. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

11-18-2004, 11:35 AM	#7
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	Buwwaaaahaaaahaaaa! They are JUNK PAPA G! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-16-2004, 03:14 PM	#15
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	I once owned a carcano shot it it was not remarkable. the ammo was wayy expensive the clips where worse. ya cant fire it with out the clips. I havent heard of them being overly dangerous it seemed just run of the mill the safety is weird, the sights where uh well it took some getting used to. I think like many people got one for the same reason I did a facination with tht Kennedy Assination. Liveing in Dallas at the time I had that gun I went out to the old rifle range on luna road and went to the farthest right side shooting station. and fired my Carcano, that was the place where Oswald practiced. We kept enviting Bill Clinton to come to Dallas and have a motorcade and he just wouldnt show up but seriously carcano's are ok but rather mundain. __________________ Submitted with respect to all

12-16-2004, 04:58 PM	#16
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,208	Yep, not much for shooting quality. My buddy wants one, but only because he's trying to collect an example of each major WWII combatant nation's rifles. He's looking for a Jap rifle too. Specific model doesn't really matter - just to fill out the ol' WWII collection. We have a gunshow this weekend, so we'll see what we can find. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

11-17-2004, 09:49 PM	#2
spicybeefjerky Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 155	the ammo for carcano's is going to cost you a small fortune my brother in law has one...spends around 20-30$$ for a box of 20 rounds...i saw some at our last gun show buy one for $60 and two for $100...but those had paint on the stocks and looked like someone put them through a meat grinder. My brothers is the has the sniper barrel (extended by a couple of inches) shoots straight as an arrow.

11-17-2004, 09:53 PM	#3
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	if it has an adjustable rear sight it the M-91 cavalry carbine. if the rear sight is fixed, then it would be a M-91/38 cavalry carbine. they were never parkerized, blued metal. worth??? hard to say, they used to be the cheapest thing around, but the price going up. one in average good shape could go for about a C-note. :nod:

11-18-2004, 07:34 AM	#5
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	If we are talking about Kennedys murder weapon. It came in 6.5 and 7.7 and they killed more of the shooters than the shot at. It is pourely made and the steel is garbage. I did a test on one and it blew up quite easely. When i looked at the so called steel it was made from I thought " NO WONDER" Junk. I did the same thing to a Jap 7.7 and the steel looked like tool steel.

11-18-2004, 08:30 AM	#6
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	killed shooters??? a fallacy...there has never been a recorded death from a blown up Carcano. any one can blow up any gun if they try hard enough. consider this, it was adopted in 1891, and used up to the 1960's. if a government issued an inherintly dangerous design, it would cause a mutiny in the troops, and start large investigations into why its bad. Graf and Sons handles Hornady loaded ammo and components for the 6.5 carcano. the advantage of Hornady is the bullets are the correct diameter, weight and profile for the Carcano, most 6.5 bullets are .264 in diameter the Hornady is the correct .268. also to reload the dies have to be the correct size for these larger bullets.

12-14-2004, 08:42 PM	#12
spicybeefjerky Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 155	if i spent $200 on only 500 rounds

12-15-2004, 05:21 PM	#13
jbarry Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	yeah, I was pretty excited to get that deal...considering the 6.5 rounds usually sell for anywhere from $20 to $40 per box of 20.... I got 25 boxes @ $8 a box.

12-16-2004, 08:54 AM	#14
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	This may be a long time in coming BUT the nice part is that papa and I can disagree. It is in fact a piece of crap and always will be. It only took a slight over load to destroy it. and I use "IT" because it doesn't desirve to be called a rifle. This is a dangerous so called weapon and all should realise it,if not let the buyer beware. I know of no other weapon that is so porely made. I fact it did blow up on some of the soldiers that use them,exactly why I can only speculate. Junk belongs in the junk pile.

12-17-2004, 07:48 AM	#18
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	I do not believe that Kennedy was killed with a carcarno.not because of the rifle. I was not a Kennedy fan and I believe that our powers to be told us what some wanted to hear. My OPINION will always be JUNK. Nuf said about IT.

12-18-2004, 12:47 PM	#19
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	i will accept any and all unwanted Carcano's my address is available upon request

01-06-2005, 08:59 PM	#20
jbarry Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	Well, I finally got the guts to take the Carcano out and shoot it for the first time.... I was feeling a little hypocritical because I have touted it to actually be a safe gun, but then I had never shot mine...(i had only had it about 2 months) :insane: It was actually a pretty fun shooter! I was very impressed with the accuracy of the rifle, and even more surprised at how little recoil it has.... Although I beleive I discovered why I got such a great deal on that ammo.... I'm guessing the low recoil is attributed to some pretty light loads, and then of course about 30% of them would not fire. The nice thing about the ammo is that it came with 25 clips. I sold 22 of them on ebay for a profit of about $120... making the 500 rds cost me only $80... makes me feel a little better about the bad rounds... So what do I do with the rounds that don't fire? Some of them will fire on the second try, and others not at all.... Just toss 'em? or is there something more "environmentally friendly" that I should do with them?