First Assault Weapon Made In 1718.

JoeLee · 05-07-2007, 05:23 PM

This is NEWS to me,I wonder what Sarah Brady will say about this flint lock machine-gun.

JAMES PUCKLE - Invented the Machine Gun 1718 link to image!

JAMES PUCKLE

James Puckle a London Lawyer was granted the following patent in 1718 for a Portable Gun.

1.The Barrel of the Gun. 8.The Screw to take out the Crane when13.a Charge of Twenty Square Bullets2.The Sett of Chambers Charg'd putthe Gun with the trepeid is to be14.a single Bullet.on ready for fireing.folded up.15.The front of the Chambers of a Gun3.The Screw upon which every Sett 9.The Trepied whereon it plays.for a Boat.of Chambers play off and on.10.The Chain to prevent the Trepieds16.The plate of the Chambers of the4.a Sett of Chambers ready Charg'dextending too far outGun for a ship shooting Squareto be Slip'd on when the first Sett11.The hooks to fix the Trepied andBullet against Turks.are pull'd off to be recharg'd.Unhook when the same is folded up in17.For Round Bullets against Christians.5.The Crane to rise fall and turn theorder to be carried with the Gun upon18.a Single Square Chamber.Gun round.a Man's Shoulder.19.a Single round Chamber.6.The Curb to Level and fix the Guns.12.The Tube wherein the Pivot of the20.a single Bullet for a Boat.7.The Screw to rise and fall it.Crane turns.21.The Mould for Casting
Single Bullets.

Whereas our Sovereign Lord King George by his Letters pattents bearing date the Fifteenth day of May in the Fourth Year of his Majesties Reign was generously pleased to Give & Grant unto me James Puckle of London Gent my Exors Admors & Assignes the sole priviledge & Authority to Make Exercise Work and use a Portable Gun or Machine (by me lately invented) call'd a Defence in that part of his Majesties Kingdom of Great Britain called England his Dominion of Wales, Town of Berwick upon Tweed and his Majesties Kingdom of Ireland in such manner & with such Materials as shou'd be ascertain'd to be the New Invention by writing under my Hand & Seal and Inrolled in the High court of chancery within three Calendary Months from the date of the pattent as in & by his Majesties Letters Pattents Relacon being thereunto had Doth & may amongst Other things morefully & at large Appear Now I the said James Puckle Do hereby Declare that the Materials whereof the Machine is Made are Steel Iron & Brass and that the Trepied whereon it Stands is Wood & Iron And that in the Above print (to which I hereby Refer) the Said Gun or Machine by me Invented is Delienated & Described. July the 25th 1718./.
4B 180

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TheJoker · 05-17-2007, 05:25 PM

I didn't realize you needed square projectiles for Turks and round projectiles for Christians. Surely, I'm reading that wrong!

bigandrich44 · 05-17-2007, 05:39 PM

I read that too. That's hilarious....

JoeLee · 05-17-2007, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJoker

I didn't realize you needed square projectiles for Turks and round projectiles for Christians. Surely, I'm reading that wrong!

I think the square projectile was to produce increased wound severity, Turks took painkillers in order to fight on,I was told.

trickticklernic · 05-20-2007, 05:04 PM

its not a machine gun if it has a crank you can buy cranks to put on semi-auto .22s
Cabela's -- BMF Activator
Cabela's -- Gatling Gun Kit

troy2000 · 05-20-2007, 09:33 PM

I've seen that before, about square bullets for Turks and round ones for Christians; I think it was on some naval gun.

The general idea is that weapons considered unsporting or inhumane against other Christians were just fine against Muslims or whatever. For example, in an earlier age a Pope banned the use of crossbows, but only against Christians.

As a matter of fact, the unraveling of a very good fake Italian Renaissance painting a few years ago started with someone's observation that the subject on horseback was armed with a crossbow against Christian opponents. Although the Italians did use them against each other, the expert pointed out that a painter of the time would have been unlikely to commemorate on canvas someone blatantly defying a Papal decree.

Despoiler · 05-21-2007, 01:16 AM

I had always heard that the Pope outlawed the use of crossbows not against Christians but against the nobles.

danowest · 06-19-2007, 08:26 PM

looks similar to the gattling gun, wouldnt call it an assault weapon though

troy2000 · 06-19-2007, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Despoiler

I had always heard that the Pope outlawed the use of crossbows not against Christians but against the nobles.

Here's a couple of quotes I ran down:

In 1097, Pope Urban II outlawed the use of the crossbow.

1139 AD --- Pope Innocent II condemns and forbids the use of the crossbow by Christians against Christians by saying they are "deathly and hateful to God and unfit to be used among Christians."

On the other hand, there's no doubt that the mounted, armored nobility were less than thrilled at the thought of some lout of a peasant putting a quarrel through them and their armor before they ever got within broadsword range.

meatloaf · 06-20-2007, 01:13 AM

BFRANKlin · 06-27-2007, 12:06 AM

The 'painkillers' being hashish and opium. I don't think it could be called properly a machine gun by today's standards since a flashpan would have to be filled for every shot. Maybe a 'rapid firing' flint, match, or wheel lock, whichever it may have been. Rapid firing, maybe, but slow loading, no doubt. And switching cylinders between shooting at Turks or Christians. Probably needed a carriage to mount the tripod on and carry the gun, just being careful not to shoot the horse. Probably worked good until they really needed to use it, then it's shortcomings showed up pretty quick.

05-07-2007, 05:23 PM	#1
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	First Assault Weapon Made In 1718. This is NEWS to me,I wonder what Sarah Brady will say about this flint lock machine-gun. JAMES PUCKLE - Invented the Machine Gun 1718 link to image! JAMES PUCKLE James Puckle a London Lawyer was granted the following patent in 1718 for a Portable Gun. 1.The Barrel of the Gun. 8.The Screw to take out the Crane when13.a Charge of Twenty Square Bullets2.The Sett of Chambers Charg'd putthe Gun with the trepeid is to be14.a single Bullet.on ready for fireing.folded up.15.The front of the Chambers of a Gun3.The Screw upon which every Sett 9.The Trepied whereon it plays.for a Boat.of Chambers play off and on.10.The Chain to prevent the Trepieds16.The plate of the Chambers of the4.a Sett of Chambers ready Charg'dextending too far outGun for a ship shooting Squareto be Slip'd on when the first Sett11.The hooks to fix the Trepied andBullet against Turks.are pull'd off to be recharg'd.Unhook when the same is folded up in17.For Round Bullets against Christians.5.The Crane to rise fall and turn theorder to be carried with the Gun upon18.a Single Square Chamber.Gun round.a Man's Shoulder.19.a Single round Chamber.6.The Curb to Level and fix the Guns.12.The Tube wherein the Pivot of the20.a single Bullet for a Boat.7.The Screw to rise and fall it.Crane turns.21.The Mould for Casting Single Bullets. Whereas our Sovereign Lord King George by his Letters pattents bearing date the Fifteenth day of May in the Fourth Year of his Majesties Reign was generously pleased to Give & Grant unto me James Puckle of London Gent my Exors Admors & Assignes the sole priviledge & Authority to Make Exercise Work and use a Portable Gun or Machine (by me lately invented) call'd a Defence in that part of his Majesties Kingdom of Great Britain called England his Dominion of Wales, Town of Berwick upon Tweed and his Majesties Kingdom of Ireland in such manner & with such Materials as shou'd be ascertain'd to be the New Invention by writing under my Hand & Seal and Inrolled in the High court of chancery within three Calendary Months from the date of the pattent as in & by his Majesties Letters Pattents Relacon being thereunto had Doth & may amongst Other things morefully & at large Appear Now I the said James Puckle Do hereby Declare that the Materials whereof the Machine is Made are Steel Iron & Brass and that the Trepied whereon it Stands is Wood & Iron And that in the Above print (to which I hereby Refer) the Said Gun or Machine by me Invented is Delienated & Described. July the 25th 1718./. 4B 180 Information by courtesy of The Patent Office ~ Newport. To Top of Page Additional information would be very welcome, please email me at - GeoffStone@Wedmore.org.uk Return to Puckle Home Page Return to Wedmore Home Page © Geoffrey Stone, Braintree 23-3-2004

05-17-2007, 05:25 PM	#2
TheJoker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 290	I didn't realize you needed square projectiles for Turks and round projectiles for Christians. Surely, I'm reading that wrong! __________________ "Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss." -- Lazarus Long

05-17-2007, 05:39 PM	#3
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013	I read that too. That's hilarious.... __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

05-20-2007, 09:33 PM	#6
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,413 Images: 9	I've seen that before, about square bullets for Turks and round ones for Christians; I think it was on some naval gun. The general idea is that weapons considered unsporting or inhumane against other Christians were just fine against Muslims or whatever. For example, in an earlier age a Pope banned the use of crossbows, but only against Christians. As a matter of fact, the unraveling of a very good fake Italian Renaissance painting a few years ago started with someone's observation that the subject on horseback was armed with a crossbow against Christian opponents. Although the Italians did use them against each other, the expert pointed out that a painter of the time would have been unlikely to commemorate on canvas someone blatantly defying a Papal decree. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

06-20-2007, 01:13 AM	#10
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 902 Images: 3	wow

05-20-2007, 05:04 PM	#5
trickticklernic Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2	its not a machine gun if it has a crank you can buy cranks to put on semi-auto .22s Cabela's -- BMF Activator Cabela's -- Gatling Gun Kit

05-21-2007, 01:16 AM	#7
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	I had always heard that the Pope outlawed the use of crossbows not against Christians but against the nobles.

06-19-2007, 08:26 PM	#8
danowest Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5	looks similar to the gattling gun, wouldnt call it an assault weapon though

06-27-2007, 12:06 AM	#11
BFRANKlin Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 258	The 'painkillers' being hashish and opium. I don't think it could be called properly a machine gun by today's standards since a flashpan would have to be filled for every shot. Maybe a 'rapid firing' flint, match, or wheel lock, whichever it may have been. Rapid firing, maybe, but slow loading, no doubt. And switching cylinders between shooting at Turks or Christians. Probably needed a carriage to mount the tripod on and carry the gun, just being careful not to shoot the horse. Probably worked good until they really needed to use it, then it's shortcomings showed up pretty quick.