Talk to me about Hi Point

Sniper[MI] · 10-30-2003, 08:28 AM

What can anyone tell me about Hi Point? I have been to the site, and seen the pictures, but how well are they made? What model/caliber do you own, explain their construction etc...

I am really curious about these guns. How do they stack up to Glock or other Polymer handguns?

jerry · 10-30-2003, 09:08 AM

oh boy,
now ya done it. just stand by

NRAJOE · 10-30-2003, 09:21 AM

SNICKER, SNICKER, GUFFAW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where ya at Doglips?

TScottW99 · 10-30-2003, 09:23 AM

I have only shot two of there handguns.... CHEAP, UNREALIBLE, UGLY AS SIN!!!

How can you even type the words Glock and Hi-P*&#$ in the same post

jerry · 10-30-2003, 10:58 AM

doglips=carbine fan
different animal.

Doglips · 10-30-2003, 11:37 AM

Did some one call my name???????

I own the 380acp, 40SW (New Modle) 45acp both old and new polymer, and the 9mm carbine.....only modle I dont own is their 9mm pistol.

Carbine I call it the planet of the apes gun....it r ugly.....with the exception of wolf ammo I have had NO jams, failure to feeds etc. With a 3x9 Scope I have had solid 3-4" groups at 75 yards with Winchester target/plinking ammo ($10 per 100 wal-mart ammo)...some people swear its good out to 100 yards but I did not have much luck killing soad cans past 75. The carbine and pistols works with hollow points, +p Cor-Bon and even my just learning to reload cast lead bullets. With Iron sights (goast ring) I suck at ranges beyond 50yards (but Im blind in one eye and getting old in the other)...with a red dot scope the carbine rocks on Silhouette targets out to 75 yards.

380acp....wifes "chair" gun...keeps t in her chair pocket...cleaning it has been a bore brush, bore swab and a patch to wipe out the feeding ramp...no feild striping (which on a Hi_Point is a royal pain)....about 2000 rounds through it so far..no jams no problems....bulk makes recoil non existant. wifee poo loves it...others who have shot a few mags through it enjoyed it as well. I have the old modle (purchased used) with non adjustable sights.

40SW Polymer (new style)....200 rounds of Winchester plinking ammo from wal-mart...no jams....realy should clean it one of these days....took it out of the box...loaded and fired....comes with a Ghost ring site and v sight on the rear...floresent orange night sights....I kept the old fashion V notch on it....Ghost ring comes in a baggie with the tool....sights fully adjustable....I felt the recoil was sharper..kinda of a a snap compared to the 45acp...the 45 is very mild....my 13 yr old daughter and a co-workers 13yr old son kept shots in a paper plate area at 15 yards....I get about 3in groups at that range.

45 ACP New Polymer....I love this pistol...over 3000 rounds shot in less that 6months...Cor-Bon +P to reloads....I tried the Ghost ring sights but just did not like them...with V notched after adjusting with 185grain swc reloads the think keeps shots in the 9-10 ring of a shot N See 8" target...off hand. It mis feed with wolf (2 x out of 50 rounds) and Blazer 3x out of 50. The gun loves loads hot +P hollow points, cast lead, ball dont care like the energiser bunny keeps chuging along...with low power re-loads I can actualy feel the slide go back.

45acp Old style (mainly a good example of how they keep on going).....I purchased this gun used...it is actual marked Haskel (who makes Hi-Point 45acps for MKS)...tossed it in the trunk of my car in a shop rag....never cleaned the thing...blasted with it at the range..back into the trunk...may some wd-40 now and then sprayed inside it....did this for several years....finaly feild striped it.....no worn or rusted parts...dirty from sand and powder resadue...but still working with no problems.

Some things I have learned.
1. They do not rust...I live in Florida near the beach....my dog rust when he goes outside....but the alloy (belive zink alloy) they use does not care one bit.

2. There are almost no moveing parts...the think is so simple it cant help but work....On the top half only moveing parts is the slide and fireing pin....extractor is fixed in place...blow back operated....nothing to not work. On bottom half is the sear and some springs...but the think makes my AK look over enganeered.

MKS (Hi-Point) IS OUTSTANDING in terms of customer service....I played jr. gunsmith on the carbine stock and messed it up....called MKS with debit card in hand....they said stock No Problem we will send you one out today for FREE...but I messed it up...Hi-Points dont break..stock broke...we send new one.

I lost (me not them) the ghoast ring sight for my 45acp...set it some were...called no problem sir....ship it today for FREE!!!!

Down sides.
The guns are ugly...untill the new modles (40 and 45 poylemer) they did not have curves...like a leggo gun....blocky....the new ones are not much better....the Carbine chargeing handle bolt looks like it came from a hardwear store....yep ugly and funky looking.

People who never shot one...or shot 1 or 2 rounds at the range .... look down on them....gun snobs snicker (see NRAJOE

) But take one out and slap it around....feed it cheap ammo...feed it +P stuff (Rated for +P+)....put 100 or so rounds throuh one then decide.....you may find that like people who one them they are actualy quite good. Well worth the $150.

About customer service....look at my quoats below...I have delt with Taures, Ruger and NEF....Taures was ok, NEF slow but friendly...RUGER SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Customer service is rude, could care less and since my pistol is being sent back 1 more time friaday or monday (Its spent more time at the factory than at the range)....and Handloader magazine had an artical that the brass getting stuck is a KNOWN And HAS BEEN KNOWN defect in the cylinder metal....but still sending them out....go figure....I lost the artical but went to wal-mart today and got another copy of the magazine to send in with the Ruger Super Redhawk......

Last think GUN TEST Magazine Rated the Hi_Point cabine a better buy than the Ruger Carbine....check MKS Web site for the PDF artical.

jerry · 10-30-2003, 01:23 PM

thar ya go!

BattleRifleG3 · 10-30-2003, 03:56 PM

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showth...ht=point+slide

Includes a report of a pretty serious failure of a Hi Point.

[quote]Dont get one of these pistols, I have seen some malfunction big time. They are cheap, and not made to shoot too many rnds. I saw one on about 200 rounds shear off what ever holds the slide on, he went to the hospital with most of the slide imbedded in his eye. [\QUOTE]

Doglips · 10-30-2003, 04:59 PM

I never owned or shot a glock..know someone who has a lawsuit aginst them...lost part of a finger to it fireing out of batter...course the dude is a goof ball and may not be glocks fault...still.

Can also point out the now shut down "Glocks Suck" web page that talked about Glocks fireing out of battery....

http://www.glock-guns.com/qa.asp?mnf...&PageNumber=62

Or that someone "do you own one of these" pointed out a recall of Glocks...point being that there have been more recalls and problems with big name toys than Hi-Points.

BattleRifleG3 · 10-30-2003, 05:47 PM

I was only adding that review to the comments listed to get a balanced view on them. Not claiming to know more than others, just including the bad with the good. Most Glock problems have been identified and the solutions are known, some in design, some in ammunition choice. Maybe the same is true of Hi Points.

Doglips · 10-30-2003, 08:09 PM

No problem Battle Rifle...like anything..cars, guns etc...everyone lieks what they like...thats the joy of USA we have choices...Seems like every firearm has their lovers/haters....happy customers..unhappy customers. Just like Im mad at ruger...but thats based on 1 pistol...does nto mean ALL rugers good/bad.... For the type of shooting I do...plinking/fun all most all my firearms work great for it....someone like 1* whos life depends ont ehir firearms on a daily bases probly has diffrent critea and needs....for me the Hi-Point and Mossburg 12 ga is good medacin for anything that wakes up me and my rotie

BattleRifleG3 · 10-30-2003, 09:24 PM

I have two Mossberg 12ga pumps.

Oz n Bolivia · 11-22-2003, 08:41 PM

A few minutes ago I was looking at the Hi Point web site. Those hand guns are not ugly. If those prices are correct, they are not expensive. The carbine is a little different, not ugly, and it was not love at first site, but I would not mind having one.
John
:assult: :target:

Doglips · 11-23-2003, 11:30 AM

Cool a nother convert

....4 more and I get a fee hi-Point t-shirt

BattleRifleG3 · 11-24-2003, 11:24 AM

There have been reports safety issues with the pistols. I have yet to hear of any such issues about the carbines.

PAPA G · 11-24-2003, 12:26 PM

i haven't read of any saftey problems, to date. I am sure "Lips would know if there is a problem being as he has so many of them.

Doglips · 11-25-2003, 06:30 PM

Did not see any recall..warnings on their web page....I do know they stand behind their warrenty....so IF their is a problem I dont see why they would not anounce it and fix it.

tommy · 11-25-2003, 06:52 PM

well i bought a .9mm compact about 3 weeks aco and it came witha realy bum clip so i called high point and they sent me a new one (it took 3 days to come in ) frome the time i called them to the day it came in the mail. as for looks i like the way my .9mm looks it don't look bad at all .the older modles look realy bad .but the new one with the adjustable rear sights they look pretty good and as for accuraccy i'll put it up against any compact it does the job at 15 yards just fine although i only shot about 200 rounds through it (no jams with the new clip) it groups consistent so i know any misses is my fault and not the gun

and for 146 dollar's brand new with a lifetime warranty how can you go wronge????

NRAJOE · 11-25-2003, 07:07 PM

....snicker.......

tommy · 11-26-2003, 11:28 AM

i don't think that they would have any recalls on thier gun's . they work fine they are simple guns and they do the job of those high priced guns that do have all them recalls(snicker)

you see when you worry about just makin a gun and not makin a gun that cost an arm and a leg to buy and that has so many moving parts inside that somthing somewhere is gonna break or jam . all high point to me did is copy off of the ak47 they made a good gun at a cheap price that does what the other guns do. now i do agree that i the begining highpoint did put out some crappy guns . but they seem to have worked out all thier problems they don't have all that play in the slide like the old ones did and they are alot more reliable. not everyone that made guns starting out didn't make the best gun verytime but highpoint has come along way.

10-30-2003, 08:28 AM	#1
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,796	Talk to me about Hi Point What can anyone tell me about Hi Point? I have been to the site, and seen the pictures, but how well are they made? What model/caliber do you own, explain their construction etc... I am really curious about these guns. How do they stack up to Glock or other Polymer handguns? __________________ FNUH!

10-30-2003, 09:08 AM	#2
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,639 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	oh boy, now ya done it. just stand by __________________

10-30-2003, 09:21 AM	#3
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 18,662 Images: 5	SNICKER, SNICKER, GUFFAW!!!!!!!!!!!! Where ya at Doglips? __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-30-2003, 09:23 AM	#4
TScottW99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Roanoke County, VA Posts: 201	I have only shot two of there handguns.... CHEAP, UNREALIBLE, UGLY AS SIN!!! How can you even type the words Glock and Hi-P*&#$ in the same post __________________ "Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin http://tscott.fws1.com

10-30-2003, 10:58 AM	#5
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,639 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	doglips=carbine fan different animal. __________________

10-30-2003, 11:37 AM	#6
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,090	Did some one call my name??????? I own the 380acp, 40SW (New Modle) 45acp both old and new polymer, and the 9mm carbine.....only modle I dont own is their 9mm pistol. Carbine I call it the planet of the apes gun....it r ugly.....with the exception of wolf ammo I have had NO jams, failure to feeds etc. With a 3x9 Scope I have had solid 3-4" groups at 75 yards with Winchester target/plinking ammo ($10 per 100 wal-mart ammo)...some people swear its good out to 100 yards but I did not have much luck killing soad cans past 75. The carbine and pistols works with hollow points, +p Cor-Bon and even my just learning to reload cast lead bullets. With Iron sights (goast ring) I suck at ranges beyond 50yards (but Im blind in one eye and getting old in the other)...with a red dot scope the carbine rocks on Silhouette targets out to 75 yards. 380acp....wifes "chair" gun...keeps t in her chair pocket...cleaning it has been a bore brush, bore swab and a patch to wipe out the feeding ramp...no feild striping (which on a Hi_Point is a royal pain)....about 2000 rounds through it so far..no jams no problems....bulk makes recoil non existant. wifee poo loves it...others who have shot a few mags through it enjoyed it as well. I have the old modle (purchased used) with non adjustable sights. 40SW Polymer (new style)....200 rounds of Winchester plinking ammo from wal-mart...no jams....realy should clean it one of these days....took it out of the box...loaded and fired....comes with a Ghost ring site and v sight on the rear...floresent orange night sights....I kept the old fashion V notch on it....Ghost ring comes in a baggie with the tool....sights fully adjustable....I felt the recoil was sharper..kinda of a a snap compared to the 45acp...the 45 is very mild....my 13 yr old daughter and a co-workers 13yr old son kept shots in a paper plate area at 15 yards....I get about 3in groups at that range. 45 ACP New Polymer....I love this pistol...over 3000 rounds shot in less that 6months...Cor-Bon +P to reloads....I tried the Ghost ring sights but just did not like them...with V notched after adjusting with 185grain swc reloads the think keeps shots in the 9-10 ring of a shot N See 8" target...off hand. It mis feed with wolf (2 x out of 50 rounds) and Blazer 3x out of 50. The gun loves loads hot +P hollow points, cast lead, ball dont care like the energiser bunny keeps chuging along...with low power re-loads I can actualy feel the slide go back. 45acp Old style (mainly a good example of how they keep on going).....I purchased this gun used...it is actual marked Haskel (who makes Hi-Point 45acps for MKS)...tossed it in the trunk of my car in a shop rag....never cleaned the thing...blasted with it at the range..back into the trunk...may some wd-40 now and then sprayed inside it....did this for several years....finaly feild striped it.....no worn or rusted parts...dirty from sand and powder resadue...but still working with no problems. Some things I have learned. 1. They do not rust...I live in Florida near the beach....my dog rust when he goes outside....but the alloy (belive zink alloy) they use does not care one bit. 2. There are almost no moveing parts...the think is so simple it cant help but work....On the top half only moveing parts is the slide and fireing pin....extractor is fixed in place...blow back operated....nothing to not work. On bottom half is the sear and some springs...but the think makes my AK look over enganeered. MKS (Hi-Point) IS OUTSTANDING in terms of customer service....I played jr. gunsmith on the carbine stock and messed it up....called MKS with debit card in hand....they said stock No Problem we will send you one out today for FREE...but I messed it up...Hi-Points dont break..stock broke...we send new one. I lost (me not them) the ghoast ring sight for my 45acp...set it some were...called no problem sir....ship it today for FREE!!!! Down sides. The guns are ugly...untill the new modles (40 and 45 poylemer) they did not have curves...like a leggo gun....blocky....the new ones are not much better....the Carbine chargeing handle bolt looks like it came from a hardwear store....yep ugly and funky looking. People who never shot one...or shot 1 or 2 rounds at the range .... look down on them....gun snobs snicker (see NRAJOE ) But take one out and slap it around....feed it cheap ammo...feed it +P stuff (Rated for +P+)....put 100 or so rounds throuh one then decide.....you may find that like people who one them they are actualy quite good. Well worth the $150. About customer service....look at my quoats below...I have delt with Taures, Ruger and NEF....Taures was ok, NEF slow but friendly...RUGER SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Customer service is rude, could care less and since my pistol is being sent back 1 more time friaday or monday (Its spent more time at the factory than at the range)....and Handloader magazine had an artical that the brass getting stuck is a KNOWN And HAS BEEN KNOWN defect in the cylinder metal....but still sending them out....go figure....I lost the artical but went to wal-mart today and got another copy of the magazine to send in with the Ruger Super Redhawk...... Last think GUN TEST Magazine Rated the Hi_Point cabine a better buy than the Ruger Carbine....check MKS Web site for the PDF artical.

10-30-2003, 01:23 PM	#7
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,639 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	thar ya go! __________________

10-30-2003, 03:56 PM	#8
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,397 Images: 13	http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showth...ht=point+slide Includes a report of a pretty serious failure of a Hi Point. [quote]Dont get one of these pistols, I have seen some malfunction big time. They are cheap, and not made to shoot too many rnds. I saw one on about 200 rounds shear off what ever holds the slide on, he went to the hospital with most of the slide imbedded in his eye. [\QUOTE] __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-30-2003, 04:59 PM	#9
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,090	I never owned or shot a glock..know someone who has a lawsuit aginst them...lost part of a finger to it fireing out of batter...course the dude is a goof ball and may not be glocks fault...still. Can also point out the now shut down "Glocks Suck" web page that talked about Glocks fireing out of battery.... http://www.glock-guns.com/qa.asp?mnf...&PageNumber=62 Or that someone "do you own one of these" pointed out a recall of Glocks...point being that there have been more recalls and problems with big name toys than Hi-Points.

10-30-2003, 05:47 PM	#10
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,397 Images: 13	I was only adding that review to the comments listed to get a balanced view on them. Not claiming to know more than others, just including the bad with the good. Most Glock problems have been identified and the solutions are known, some in design, some in ammunition choice. Maybe the same is true of Hi Points. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-30-2003, 08:09 PM	#11
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,090	No problem Battle Rifle...like anything..cars, guns etc...everyone lieks what they like...thats the joy of USA we have choices...Seems like every firearm has their lovers/haters....happy customers..unhappy customers. Just like Im mad at ruger...but thats based on 1 pistol...does nto mean ALL rugers good/bad.... For the type of shooting I do...plinking/fun all most all my firearms work great for it....someone like 1* whos life depends ont ehir firearms on a daily bases probly has diffrent critea and needs....for me the Hi-Point and Mossburg 12 ga is good medacin for anything that wakes up me and my rotie

10-30-2003, 09:24 PM	#12
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,397 Images: 13	I have two Mossberg 12ga pumps. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-22-2003, 08:41 PM	#13
Oz n Bolivia Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: La Paz, Bolivia Posts: 109	Beauty is in the eye of the beholder A few minutes ago I was looking at the Hi Point web site. Those hand guns are not ugly. If those prices are correct, they are not expensive. The carbine is a little different, not ugly, and it was not love at first site, but I would not mind having one. John :assult: :target: __________________ Education gives us a data base of knowledge, what and how we use that data base is wisdom.

11-23-2003, 11:30 AM	#14
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,090	Cool a nother convert ....4 more and I get a fee hi-Point t-shirt

11-24-2003, 11:24 AM	#15
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,397 Images: 13	There have been reports safety issues with the pistols. I have yet to hear of any such issues about the carbines. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-24-2003, 12:26 PM	#16
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	WHAT ARE THE ALLEGED SAFTEY DEFECTS??? i haven't read of any saftey problems, to date. I am sure "Lips would know if there is a problem being as he has so many of them.

11-25-2003, 06:30 PM	#17
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,090	Did not see any recall..warnings on their web page....I do know they stand behind their warrenty....so IF their is a problem I dont see why they would not anounce it and fix it.

11-25-2003, 06:52 PM	#18
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,384 Images: 6	well i bought a .9mm compact about 3 weeks aco and it came witha realy bum clip so i called high point and they sent me a new one (it took 3 days to come in ) frome the time i called them to the day it came in the mail. as for looks i like the way my .9mm looks it don't look bad at all .the older modles look realy bad .but the new one with the adjustable rear sights they look pretty good and as for accuraccy i'll put it up against any compact it does the job at 15 yards just fine although i only shot about 200 rounds through it (no jams with the new clip) it groups consistent so i know any misses is my fault and not the gun and for 146 dollar's brand new with a lifetime warranty how can you go wronge????

11-25-2003, 07:07 PM	#19
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 18,662 Images: 5	....snicker....... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

11-26-2003, 11:28 AM	#20
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,384 Images: 6	i don't think that they would have any recalls on thier gun's . they work fine they are simple guns and they do the job of those high priced guns that do have all them recalls(snicker) you see when you worry about just makin a gun and not makin a gun that cost an arm and a leg to buy and that has so many moving parts inside that somthing somewhere is gonna break or jam . all high point to me did is copy off of the ak47 they made a good gun at a cheap price that does what the other guns do. now i do agree that i the begining highpoint did put out some crappy guns . but they seem to have worked out all thier problems they don't have all that play in the slide like the old ones did and they are alot more reliable. not everyone that made guns starting out didn't make the best gun verytime but highpoint has come along way.

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