hunting with pistol caliber carbines

[Kabic]

What say ye.

9mm carbine able to kill white tail deer reliably. At what range with what loads?

How about .40s&w carbine? At what range and what loads?

[NRAJOE]

Maybe I'd try it with a .40 S&W but not a 9mm...........

[lefty o]

at relatively close range , they will work. many states have minimun caliber requirements though.

[asgard_prince]

Always wanted to get a .45 LC lever gun...maybe some day when I'm rich

A 9mm is kinda small for white tail, you would be better off with the .40. You also might wanna think about a .357 mag, .44 mag, or a .45 LC. All of which come in carbines, and will pass minimum requirements in most states.

[alan c.]

Don't know about carbine but Stephen A Camp did an article on hunting whitetail with a 9mm.

[ScottD]

Concerning pistol cartridges in carbines for hunting, I would consider 357 Mag the minimum with 44 Mag much more reliable.

[ScottD]

Concerning pistol cartridges in carbines for hunting, I would consider 357 Mag the minimum with 44 Mag much more reliable.

Forget rimless cartridges they don't have it to kill game quickly.

[Kabic]

I'll admit I'm a little confused comparing the 9mm and the .40s&w.

This article states that the best rounds for the 9mm are just as good as the best rounds for the .40 s&w. It has the following examples:

Here are some samples of performance in bare gelatin:
Round               Penetration 	      Expansion 	Wound Area
Federal HydraShok
9mm 124gr +P+ 	     13.3" 	                0.67" 	            44.8 sq. in.
.40S&W 155gr 	     13.3" 	                0.68"               47.9 sq. in.
.45ACP 185gr +p      12.9" 	                0.69" 	            31.5 sq. in.
.45ACP 230gr 	     13.7" 	                0.71" 	            28.4 sq. in.
Federal PDA
9mm 135gr 	     11.5" 	                0.72" 	
.40S&W 135gr 	      9.6" 	                0.68" 	
.45ACP 165gr 	     11.3" 	                0.78" 	
Remington Golden Saber
9mm 147gr 	     12.8" 	                0.68" 	
.40S&W 165gr 	     12.5" 	                0.67" 	
.45ACP 230gr 	     14.1" 	                0.76"

So looking at this data what is the major difference between the 9mm and .40s&w.

I ask because I'm planning on getting a carbine and am waivering between the 9mm version and .40s&w version. Would I really use for deer hunting? I doubt it but it would be nice to have the option.

[BattleRifleG3]

40 would no doubt be better for hunting than 9mm. Whether it would be good at all is another matter. Consider Ruger's 44 Magnum carbine if you want a semi-auto. Or a levergun.

Or a far better choice for a short range semi-auto hunting rifle would be the venerable SKS. Ammo is significantly cheaper, rifle is less than half the cost. For the same or better price ammowise and gunwise as a 40 S&W carbine, you could buy a CETME or Saiga in 308 (Saigas also come in milder calibers), good for all ranges of hunting deer sized game.

[alan c.]

I made a mistake and edited my previous post.
9mm-whitetail deer.
Stephen A. Camp.

[Rave]

I wouldn't hunt deer with either 9mm nor .40S&W as I am concerned with clean kills as possible,to me both are defense weapons.
In pistol caliber carbines the .44 mag is the minimum for humane hunting.

[Shaun]

I agree Rave a responsible hunter is always looking for a clean single shot kill and that means using a caliber to handle the job -- common handgun calibers are defensive and not for hunting

[gunssb]

I believe some states don't allow even a 357 for deer...

[tommy]

back in the old western days the old .44s&w load would drop a man or a deer . i haven't seen anyone say anything about the .44s&w round.wasn't it used in rifles and pistols in the old days.???

[Shaun]

Tommy I am sure the 44 S&W has many kills to its name like the 22 LR. But for humane kills I want a round that doesn't require a shot in the eye or ear

[tommy]

what about a .44s&w in a rifle wouldn't that give it more velocity? just asking.not that i would hunt with the round but i was just woundering how much a rifle would change the velocity of the bullet or would change it at all???

[Shaun]

if its a pistol cartridge in a rifle you could be talking about a velocity reduction

[DANA]

Got two M1 carbine conversions in 45 Win Mag and 50AE

DANA

[tommy]

well ok answer me this question was the .44 special round first made for a rifle or a pistol?

[RonfrmSC]

Originally Posted by lefty o

at relatively close range , they will work. many states have minimun caliber requirements though.

S.C. has a minimum energy requirement, add in the 230 fps you can get from a hot hand load in the carbine's 16 inch barrel and you get real close to 357 mag's rating of 500 ft lbs with a 115gr jacketed HP 9mm.

Remember you wanna go with a slower burning powder to get the extra M/V from a carbine.

Limit your shot's to 50 yds or less and you have one dead deer

Ron