More pistol caliber carbines

ducktapehero · 05-21-2005, 10:45 PM

As I stated in another thread I am smitten with the idea of a pistol and a carbine that take the same magazines. The other thread I asked about the Ruger carbines. I'm mainly looking for something for plinking and self defense duties.

I got to looking at a couple other pistol caliber carbines. Mainly the Beretta Storm, the Kel-Tec Sub2000 and the Mech Tech Conversions. I don't like the way Beretta's feel in my hand so the Storm is out. I kinda like the idea of a Glock 17 and a carbine. Especially with the 33 round G18 mag.

If I went with the Glock would you suggest the Kel-Tec Sub2000 or the Mech Tech conversion. From what I can find online the Sub2000 is a little delicate but I have never held one so I don't know. Granted I'm not going to be out in the field for months at a time but I don't like the idea of a weapon that breaks easily.

Would it be a more durable weapon than the Sub? Anyone have any experience with either the Kel-Tec or the Mech Tech?

Big Dog · 05-22-2005, 05:26 AM

Do a search thru these forums, go back about a year - you'll find our discussions on the Sub2000, and my personal experience and opinion - it ain't pretty . . .

I like the Mech Tech, but haven't held or shot one yet. I'd be inclined towards the 1911-style, but the high-capacity of the Glock version would be interesting.

I kinda like the Beretta, and have handled it. Other than the higher mag capacity, it offers nothing my Hi-Point Carbine can't do as well.

Rave · 06-08-2005, 11:50 AM

Took my Beretta Storm to the range yesterday,no malfunctions,15 yards 2 1/2" group 40 rds. standing rapid fire about 1" low,good enough.

muaddib · 06-27-2005, 07:07 AM

doing a write up on another forum. you can view it here

22 diffrerent models so far including Cobray, Wilkinson, Calico, FN P90 and Thompson.

Rave · 07-01-2005, 08:12 AM

I would definetly like to check it out! :nod:

BattleRifleG3 · 07-01-2005, 12:04 PM

I'm designing one myself. Would take subgun mags and would actually be a pistol and carbine on the same design instead of just taking the same mags.

Otter · 07-01-2005, 01:18 PM

I saw a Marlin 9MM Camp carbine in Cabela's in Hamburg, Pa. a few weeks ago, I had both the 9MM and the .45, liked them both but had to modify the bolt hold open to work from the left side of the receiver like a 1911. I didn't like the stock bolt hold open
which required pushing in on the charging handle, when there was a funtional bolt hold that worked off the empty Magazine. So I modified the magazine bolt hold by milling a slot in the left side of the receiver and installing a knob that I could pust up with my thumb to lock the bolt open. I didn't like the magazine well safety which wouldn't allow the carbine to fire without a magazine in place. Blow back method of operation, no recoil, and loose enough to allow it to operate well after it gummed up.

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05-21-2005, 10:45 PM	#1
ducktapehero Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southern Missouri Posts: 319	More pistol caliber carbines As I stated in another thread I am smitten with the idea of a pistol and a carbine that take the same magazines. The other thread I asked about the Ruger carbines. I'm mainly looking for something for plinking and self defense duties. I got to looking at a couple other pistol caliber carbines. Mainly the Beretta Storm, the Kel-Tec Sub2000 and the Mech Tech Conversions. I don't like the way Beretta's feel in my hand so the Storm is out. I kinda like the idea of a Glock 17 and a carbine. Especially with the 33 round G18 mag. If I went with the Glock would you suggest the Kel-Tec Sub2000 or the Mech Tech conversion. From what I can find online the Sub2000 is a little delicate but I have never held one so I don't know. Granted I'm not going to be out in the field for months at a time but I don't like the idea of a weapon that breaks easily. Would it be a more durable weapon than the Sub? Anyone have any experience with either the Kel-Tec or the Mech Tech? __________________ Is it Duck or Duct Tape? http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/duckvsduct.html "Me fail English? That's unpossible!!"----Ralph Wiggum

05-22-2005, 05:26 AM	#2
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 9,465	Do a search thru these forums, go back about a year - you'll find our discussions on the Sub2000, and my personal experience and opinion - it ain't pretty . . . I like the Mech Tech, but haven't held or shot one yet. I'd be inclined towards the 1911-style, but the high-capacity of the Glock version would be interesting. I kinda like the Beretta, and have handled it. Other than the higher mag capacity, it offers nothing my Hi-Point Carbine can't do as well. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

06-08-2005, 11:50 AM	#3
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,429	Took my Beretta Storm to the range yesterday,no malfunctions,15 yards 2 1/2" group 40 rds. standing rapid fire about 1" low,good enough. __________________ Don't worry,be happy! 01-20-08

07-01-2005, 08:12 AM	#5
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,429	I would definetly like to check it out! :nod: __________________ Don't worry,be happy! 01-20-08

07-01-2005, 12:04 PM	#6
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,397 Images: 13	I'm designing one myself. Would take subgun mags and would actually be a pistol and carbine on the same design instead of just taking the same mags. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

06-27-2005, 07:07 AM	#4
muaddib Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1	doing a write up on another forum. you can view it here 22 diffrerent models so far including Cobray, Wilkinson, Calico, FN P90 and Thompson.

07-01-2005, 01:18 PM	#7
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 885 Images: 6	I saw a Marlin 9MM Camp carbine in Cabela's in Hamburg, Pa. a few weeks ago, I had both the 9MM and the .45, liked them both but had to modify the bolt hold open to work from the left side of the receiver like a 1911. I didn't like the stock bolt hold open which required pushing in on the charging handle, when there was a funtional bolt hold that worked off the empty Magazine. So I modified the magazine bolt hold by milling a slot in the left side of the receiver and installing a knob that I could pust up with my thumb to lock the bolt open. I didn't like the magazine well safety which wouldn't allow the carbine to fire without a magazine in place. Blow back method of operation, no recoil, and loose enough to allow it to operate well after it gummed up. "Life is too important to be taken seriously," __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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