A friend of mine bought a 7.62x25 British Sterling last spring, it shoots really
good (a few problems with two of the mags but one works flawless)
He's shot a 5 inch group with this carbine at 50 yards with the factory peepsight. I think thats pretty good for a rifle like this.
He asked me If I could make a scope mount for it so he could use a reddot sight. I mounted a piece of picatinny rail to the heat shield ( no drilling and tapping of course) He also was wanting to see if he could group with it at 100 yards so he mounted an NCstar 2.5x eer scope with an offset flashlight adapter, lots of parts there, we'll see if it will stay put when we get to the range. There's been alot of SMG's available lately, Sterlings, ppsh41's, pps43's, Sumie's, ect. And with a little creativity you can deck them out and have some fun with them just like the modern stuff, thought some of you might find this interesting.
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I like the idea of the off set scope instead of an offset red dot, looking forward to hearing the range report on this thing. Kudos to you for bringing it about.
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neat! I have been wanting a 7.62x25 sub gun for a while. my preference is the PPSH 43. I got all excited when SOG lowered their prices untill I see that all the cheap surplus ammo is gone. I do have 1 un opened tin but that won't last long in a fun gun like that. story of my life, a day late and a dollar short.
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neat! I have been wanting a 7.62x25 sub gun for a while. my preference is the PPSH 43. I got all excited when SOG lowered their prices untill I see that all the cheap surplus ammo is gone. I do have 1 un opened tin but that won't last long in a fun gun like that. story of my life, a day late and dollar short.
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Has PPS43 pistols for $269.00 and 800 rnds.tins for $125.00.
Your right though, this type of surplus ammo is drying up and soon everyone will be paying 9mm prices for their 7.62x25 ammo.
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I like the idea of the off set scope instead of an offset red dot, looking forward to hearing the range report on this thing. Kudos to you for bringing it about.
I have to disagree. I don't think sighting in that scope is not going to go well at all. Normally with the scope directly over the bore the round is going to be dead on for windage once sighted in excluding the effects of well wind. In this setup the scope can only be on for windage at one single distance and at all other distances it will be off. This is normally true of elevation too (except that is normally on at two distances but that is for another discussion). When the red-dot is off set this is still true but because the red-dot is for close in and the scope is used for long distance it isn't as noticeable and the gun is normally canted to use the red-dot placing the sight over the bore more or less. The sighting system used for long distance shots should be the one that is directly over the bore. I suppose you could make the argument that you would cant the gun to shoot long distance there-by placing the scope over top of the bore as you shoot but I don't think this is the most accurate way to go about mounting the scope. I mean really if this was better champion three gunners would already be doing it...don't you think.
That's my oppion...as Huckabee would say....and I welcome your's.
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I have to disagree. I don't think sighting in that scope is not going to go well at all. Normally with the scope directly over the bore the round is going to be dead on for windage once sighted in excluding the effects of well wind. In this setup the scope can only be on for windage at one single distance and at all other distances it will be off. This is normally true of elevation too (except that is normally on at two distances but that is for another discussion). When the red-dot is off set this is still true but because the red-dot is for close in and the scope is used for long distance it isn't as noticeable and the gun is normally canted to use the red-dot placing the sight over the bore more or less. The sighting system used for long distance shots should be the one that is directly over the bore. I suppose you could make the argument that you would cant the gun to shoot long distance there-by placing the scope over top of the bore as you shoot but I don't think this is the most accurate way to go about mounting the scope. I mean really if this was better champion three gunners would already be doing it...don't you think.
That's my oppion...as Huckabee would say....and I welcome your's.
Thats true, there are compromises that have to made with an offset scope. Cheekweld for one. In the case of my friends Sterling his reddot scope does not use scope rings, and the offset adapter is at about a 45 degree angle.
This would make adjusting the elevation and windage very difficult as the dot would be moving in an X pattern verses the standard up, down , left ,right.
This is not a problem with the scope as it can be rotated in its ring to be on plane with the rifle.
The center of the scope is aprox. 2 inches left and 2 1/2 high of barrel bore center, there should be enough scope adjustment to compensate for this, of course the POI will change some when you shoot at different distances from where you zero'd the scope.. Since this is a 100 yards or less type of firearm
I'm thinking he should be ok. I have a Swiss K31 with the scope mounted
off center to the right by about 1 inch, I zero'd at 100 yards and shot it at 200 yards one time and there was very little difference. I could be missing something here, wish us luck.
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Hey I am all for having fun trying different things with firearms so long as it isn't safe and this has no indication it wouldn't be safe....not accurate perhaps but not unsafe. I will be interested to know how it goes I don't know if the scope will ever have much practical use but good luck with it. If it were me, I would just stick with the reddot, plenty accurate enough for most shooting out to 100 yards but to each his own I say!
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At the range yesterday my friend shot a 4-5 inch group with many bullseyes at 50 yards off of a bench, he kept the target but I'll try to get a pic of it.
The scope , mount, and red dot sight all stayed tight and held zero. He shot 3 mags through the rifle so thats about 90 rounds.
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If the scope's windage is adjusted to be dead-on at the weapon's maximum intended range, then all rounds fired at any intermediate range will off be by less than the amount of the horizontal offset from center of the reticle to the center of the bore (assuming no side wind).
Also, for the "X" problem with non rotatable mounts:
If the offset is about 45 degrees, then correct for displacement by moving the reticle with both legs of the X in the affected direction.
Ex: Shot is high (in the upper "V" of the X) -- move "up" and "right" by the same amount (each pair of diagonal clicks will equal 0.7 vertical click). Shot to Right -- use Up + Left,... etc.
Only correct for one direction (L-R or U-D) at a time to prevent confusion.
Please let me know if I am not clear.
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