Just use their past voting record as a guide. Washington is a very dirty diaper, and has to be changed for health reasons.Good folk unite, and may common sense prevail this time around. Change to something real. They buckled on TARP because Paulson threatened them with martial law. They buckled on Health care because they got paid with the TARP funds, our money. They buckled on 'The too Big to Fail Bill' [breaking up the banks] because they are heavily invested in the stock market and a 'unknown glitch' Manipulated it down a 1000, then back up 350, and it surged back up after they killed the bill. We have to get rid of the 'Shadow Government' that has them blackmailed due to them parting with the wrong boys and girls.That will undermine anybody new.Both parties have shown a pattern of corruption and the shadow govt is the controllers.
your kidding? while bush did expand federal powers he didnt create essentially universal healthcare
personally bush was mediocre at best, his first term was fine with me, and his second term, well, he didnt do anything, just sat there
kinda lame, wanted him to fix social security and the border like he said he would if he beat kerry
If bush would have had his way with social security it would have been privatized and in the markets when they drove the economy in the tank. Think of what impact that would have had on the middle class workers in this country. I have made excuses for these clowns for decades and have not assigned motive to their actions, but I am done with that now. I fully believe that none of this has happened by accident, it has by design and it has taken the concentrated efforts of both parties.
If bush would have gotten away with his Dubai ports scheme the Saudis would essentially own our ports since they are now bailing out Dubai. Do you think the administration were not cognizant of Dubai's tenuous finances?
Bush did get away with putting us in the NAMU which more than anything else neuters the US constitution and makes it no more meaningful than Mexico's or Canada's.
He also got you the patriot act that essentially freed up billions of taxpayer dollars to enable government at all levels to surveil citizens easier with ever increasing technology.
Also he bankrolled his successor with the first $700 billion of this bailout scheme. And on health care --- I would bet that a large percentage of the elected republicans were secretly glad it passed without their vote, since we have the midterm elections coming up. More than anything else they want to remain electable and con their base back home into believing that there really is a difference between dems an republicans. If that health care bill was going to fail by 3 vote, or 7 votes the requisite number of republican votes would have crossed over. If I was adamantly opposed to something I could make more noise than most of them did. They are closet commies; the dems are just out of the closet.
I wasted my last 2 republican votes on bush. Brings to mind the song by The Who, "I Won't Be Fooled Again".
If bush would have had his way with social security it would have been privatized and in the markets when they drove the economy in the tank. Think of what impact that would have had on the middle class workers in this country. I have made excuses for these clowns for decades and have not assigned motive to their actions, but I am done with that now. I fully believe that none of this has happened by accident, it has by design and it has taken the concentrated efforts of both parties.
If bush would have gotten away with his Dubai ports scheme the Saudis would essentially own our ports since they are now bailing out Dubai. Do you think the administration were not cognizant of Dubai's tenuous finances?
Bush did get away with putting us in the NAMU which more than anything else neuters the US constitution and makes it no more meaningful than Mexico's or Canada's.
He also got you the patriot act that essentially freed up billions of taxpayer dollars to enable government at all levels to surveil citizens easier with ever increasing technology.
Also he bankrolled his successor with the first $700 billion of this bailout scheme. And on health care --- I would bet that a large percentage of the elected republicans were secretly glad it passed without their vote, since we have the midterm elections coming up. More than anything else they want to remain electable and con their base back home into believing that there really is a difference between dems an republicans. If that health care bill was going to fail by 3 vote, or 7 votes the requisite number of republican votes would have crossed over. If I was adamantly opposed to something I could make more noise than most of them did. They are closet commies; the dems are just out of the closet.
I wasted my last 2 republican votes on bush. Brings to mind the song by The Who, "I Won't Be Fooled Again".
firstly bush isnt in office anymore and what obama is doing makes bush look like the best president ever
secondly, federal and state workers dont pay social security, they get a private fund account
thirdly, social security sucks. it does not take into account population booms and immigration fluxs
also, the government owes everyone who has paid social security, regardless. they are already in a huge amount of debt thanks to spending and borrowing money they dont have. what difference would this make? stop requiring people to pay social security at all, let them put it into a private account of theirs or just let them not pay it
bite the bullet, pay the social security owed to the folks already, i dont see how leaving SS alone would help. the only way to fix it and get rid of the completly failed system is to start as soon as possible by phasing it out
we are running out of money in the so called SS account for years and years now, baby boomers getting the worst of it, it wont make a difference if money is stopped being put into the account or not, at least my generation or the generation before or after mine wont have to worry about getting left with compeltly dick
as for the bailout, that always sucked
if there is a failing industry it should fail, yes jobs will be lost, yes unions and people will be pissed, but thats the companies fault. start holding mismanagment responsible, the government should abstain from the economic sector as much as possible
So, how about devising a system that allows all canditates with X amount of supporters to spend only a certain amount of money, either directly or in kind, to promote themselves during election season? Then the Libertarians and other groups who realistically do nothing more than steal votes from one or the other of the major candidates might have more of an impact.
I can see the validity of that idea, but at the same time, I can see that it limits my ability to try to influence others to support the candidate of my choosing. What say you, gentlemen?
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So, how about devising a system that allows all canditates with X amount of supporters to spend only a certain amount of money, either directly or in kind, to promote themselves during election season? Then the Libertarians and other groups who realistically do nothing more than steal votes from one or the other of the major candidates might have more of an impact.
I can see the validity of that idea, but at the same time, I can see that it limits my ability to try to influence others to support the candidate of my choosing. What say you, gentlemen?
i dont like putting restrictions or government control in any sense really
Stalebiscuit, I know gov. employees don't pay SS. They wanted to put yours and mine in the markets they collapsed. And no, SS is not broke, look at all the fantastic schemes they have cooked up with it. Any percentage of an ever expanding base has virtually no limitations to the income it will produce; "if you don't tank the economy". NONE OF THIS HAS HAPPENED BY ACCIDENT. The smartest financial manipulators of all time are working overtime to keep the working class citizens from catching on while they are being economically neutered and eventually economically disarmed.
To democrats and republicans this is just like a relay race. Obama is just running with the baton that bush passed to him. To the elitist leaders of both parties it is a game.
We are long past the point where it matters which party is in office or in the majority. Democrats or Republicans they are the same thing just different names. Alan Keyes described it best when he said the Democrats and Republicans were like a pair of legs, superficially each appear to be moving in different directions but upon closer examination they both end up at the same place.
I personally think it is this mindset of Democrats vs. Republicans that have brought us and our great country to it's knees. This mindset that just because that candidate has an “R” after their name is the candidate that you vote for. This is the mindset that got Arnold Schwarzenegger elected in California, how did that work out. Or how about Arlen Specter, left the Republican party and became a Democrat when it became politically expedient for him. Those of you that believe that the party a candidate represents is what defines him are mistaken. These politicians are in the game for only themselves. It has come time to end the two party system as we have it now.
The coming storm clouds have to be directed at both parties, otherwise they will continue to win and the losers will be the American people. I have for the last few elections have decided that I will not vote for any incumbent. Regardless of party. Throw them all out...
Stalebiscuit, I know gov. employees don't pay SS. They wanted to put yours and mine in the markets they collapsed. And no, SS is not broke, look at all the fantastic schemes they have cooked up with it. Any percentage of an ever expanding base has virtually no limitations to the income it will produce; "if you don't tank the economy". NONE OF THIS HAS HAPPENED BY ACCIDENT. The smartest financial manipulators of all time are working overtime to keep the working class citizens from catching on while they are being economically neutered and eventually economically disarmed.
To democrats and republicans this is just like a relay race. Obama is just running with the baton that bush passed to him. To the elitist leaders of both parties it is a game.
Ha, you'd have people believing that if Bush would of had his way everyone would be broke. Do you have any idea how many investment instruments are available? My $137,386 that I have paid into Social Security since 1969 would now be worth well over $950,000 if it would have been invested in the S&P 500! If everyone's Social Security payments went into zero coupon bonds, you'd be drawing much more than what you're gonna get. In any 10 years, the market has 3 down years and 7 up years. His(Bush) idea was to reinvest the money into defensive instruments which is good for you, good for tax-payers, and good for America and low risk to principal. I'm retiring in 2 weeks and I'm 54 years old. Between my retirement and my 401k, I don't ever have to work again unless I want to, thanks to that market that you seem to want to demonize.
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You don't need to trust Bush he ain't running. However you should trust the fact that votes that go to conservative leaning third parties might as well just vote for Obama because that is who those votes will help to reelect. that you can trust in my friend. I for one will vote for who ever the repubs run this next time because say what you want about them all being the same, I can't remember any repub who has been as bad as the current Clown in chief. ....And that is all I have to say about that
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I can't wait to hear the lamestream media's spin on this upcoming political upheaval.
You actually think the so-called mainstream media is going to pick up on this before and unless outfits like Pew and Gallup start reporting that the incumbents are being outpointed by double digits in opinion polls? Or that they will 'legitimize' the poll results by reporting them as fact? My guess is they will try to pooh-pooh the results showing incumbents and Democrats are about to get their clocks cleaned unless the polls top 20%.
More likely, the result will fall within the margin of error (3 to 5 percentage points), and will catch the mainstream media flatfooted. They will then try to downplay the fact they blew the call when the Democrats at best have their majorities cut in the House and the Senate; and at worst lose control of both chambers. They'll also try and explain how it is that the incumbents got the boot as "the people simply wanted a a change."
"...secondly, federal and state workers dont pay social security, they get a private fund account..."
Raise the bull**** flag on that one. The Federal POLITICIANS have that system, the rank&file State and Federal workers very much DO pay into Social Security - I have all my working career! I have a vested interest in seeing that the SSI fund is NOT robbed by the FedGov.
Don't make the mistake thinking that ALL "Government Employees" are crooks and sluggards - most of us are worker bees.
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You don't need to trust Bush he ain't running. However you should trust the fact that votes that go to conservative leaning third parties might as well just vote for Obama because that is who those votes will help to reelect. that you can trust in my friend. I for one will vote for who ever the repubs run this next time because say what you want about them all being the same, I can't remember any repub who has been as bad as the current Clown in chief. ....And that is all I have to say about that
You pronounce your ideas as if they are facts. The US as Great Britain utilize what is called a plurality voting system within a single member district. This is a fact. In another words there is a geographic district and regardless of the number of competitors the winner is the competitor with the most votes. So in a three way race the winner only needs 34% to when.
Now you may or may not have noticed that in the news there has been a development in Great Britain. No party got a 50% majority within Parliament. True, their institutions are different than ours. Their PM is the leader of the majority party, and of course the US president is elected through the electoral college. This at least shows that a third party is possible in our system.
You said that by voting for a third party my vote was going to reelect Obama. In 2008 Obama won with 53% of the vote, john McCain lost with 46% of the vote. Perhaps you are seeing something I am missing but the way I see it all of those republicans who voted for McCain could have voted for a third party or all of those third party voters could have voted for McCain and guess what Obama still would be elected. He got 53%...
So your statement is not a “fact” as you state, it is an opinion. There is a difference, a fact is provable and yes an opinion can be incorrect.
The major parties want you to believe that they are the only game in town and if you vote for another then you are helping the “other guy.” Might as well just vote for him right? Well I refuse to play their game anymore. But you go ahead, by the way how has that worked out for you over the last twenty years? Didn't the Republicans hold the majority in congress for more than half of that time...
We are long past the point where it matters which party is in office or in the majority. Democrats or Republicans they are the same thing just different names. Alan Keyes described it best when he said the Democrats and Republicans were like a pair of legs, superficially each appear to be moving in different directions but upon closer examination they both end up at the same place.
I personally think it is this mindset of Democrats vs. Republicans that have brought us and our great country to it's knees. This mindset that just because that candidate has an “R” after their name is the candidate that you vote for. This is the mindset that got Arnold Schwarzenegger elected in California, how did that work out. Or how about Arlen Specter, left the Republican party and became a Democrat when it became politically expedient for him. Those of you that believe that the party a candidate represents is what defines him are mistaken. These politicians are in the game for only themselves. It has come time to end the two party system as we have it now.
The coming storm clouds have to be directed at both parties, otherwise they will continue to win and the losers will be the American people. I have for the last few elections have decided that I will not vote for any incumbent. Regardless of party. Throw them all out...
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Preach On, Brother!! Until the sheeple of this country wake up and realize that continuing to play by the old rules will just continue the status quo, there is no hope of returning to a Constitutional government. Voting Republican or Democrat is voting for the same program we have now. The ONLY way this country is going to get repaired is to physically remove ALL current members of Congress, the POTUS, the SCOTUS, the Federal Reserve Bank, and start over. Nothing else will fix the situation.
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Thats right ladies and gentlemen. When you get to the point where you think you have no choice but to vote for the democrat or republican that will hurt the country the least you are right where they want you. In their back pocket, and the downward spiral will continue because the majority of those two parties are onboard for it.
Speaking of Spectre: he was a dem, and then a pub, and then a dem again. He will do anything to be elected, so it is not a matter of principle or conviction. Just a flagrant opportunist. How pathetic.
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Speaking of Spectre: he was a dem, and then a pub, and then a dem again. He will do anything to be elected, so it is not a matter of principle or conviction. Just a flagrant opportunist. How pathetic.
I read an article this week that says Specter is really up against it this time. He's facing a serious Democratic challenger in the primary, and the Republicans have another serious challenger waiting for him if he manages to get past the Democrats. If he had any sense, he'd realize he's run his race and bow out gracefully, instead of waiting to be humiliated at the ballot box in November. The smart move would be for him to announce his retirement and let the two challengers duke it out for the seat. But who ever said Specter was smart instead of merely expedient?
Amidst all this rhetoric, I have to wonder how many guys here vote on a regular basis.
Personally, I have voted in every election, no matter how small or what the timing was, for the past 30+ years. What about you guys? Do you make it a habit to vote whenever you can?
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Amidst all this rhetoric, I have to wonder how many guys here vote on a regular basis.
Personally, I have voted in every election, no matter how small or what the timing was, for the past 30+ years. What about you guys? Do you make it a habit to vote whenever you can?
Every election since Nixon in 1972. Funny, no matter who won, I have never thought I wasted a vote either.
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Amidst all this rhetoric, I have to wonder how many guys here vote on a regular basis.
Every election they have here, including school board elections. Haven't missed one since I was eligible to vote, even when I had to send in an absentee ballot.
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