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Like I said before and will continue to say again. If stick and string can kill a deer at 50 yds or more, than ANY centerfire rifle will do the job if the bullet is directed to the right spot.
I recall reading about a Game Ranger in Alaska that used a 22 Hornet to kill troublesome bears at the dumps. He shot blacks and grizzleys with it and only needed one shot in the ear to do it.
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I read about that practice method for running deer many years ago in an Outdoor Life Book. It was common practice back in the 50s to shoot at running deer and people shouldn't be so afraid of it today. I blame the TV "Hunting" Shows for the bias against running shots. I can barely watch them anymore. They always claim to need a broadside shot, never shoot at a walking deer muchless a running one, shoot guns and ammo better suited for bigfoot than 150lb deer, and never seem to mind leaving a deer in the woods overnight. If they shot as well as they shoveled the BS, they would never have to leave a deer for the night, and they would take the shots as they come not sit there waiting for the "Statue" poses they seek.
Like I said before and will continue to say again. If stick and string can kill a deer at 50 yds or more, than ANY centerfire rifle will do the job if the bullet is directed to the right spot.
I recall reading about a Game Ranger in Alaska that used a 22 Hornet to kill troublesome bears at the dumps. He shot blacks and grizzleys with it and only needed one shot in the ear to do it.
Mouser'
I read about that practice method for running deer many years ago in an Outdoor Life Book. It was common practice back in the 50s to shoot at running deer and people shouldn't be so afraid of it today. I blame the TV "Hunting" Shows for the bias against running shots. I can barely watch them anymore. They always claim to need a broadside shot, never shoot at a walking deer muchless a running one, shoot guns and ammo better suited for bigfoot than 150lb deer, and never seem to mind leaving a deer in the woods overnight. If they shot as well as they shoveled the BS, they would never have to leave a deer for the night, and they would take the shots as they come not sit there waiting for the "Statue" poses they seek.
Well said.
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The only problem I have with the "target in a tire rolling down a hill" practice method is that EMPTY tires bounce bullets like crazy, so if you missed the target and hit the tire, you might have bullet holes in your important stuff! Now a bullet will penetrate a tire with air in it.
BTW...I find it funny as hell that a few months ago, everyone was on a "if it aint .30 cal it is to small for deer" kick, and sneered at my .270win...but now everyone is all on the varmint rifle for deer bandwagon. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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The only problem I have with the "target in a tire rolling down a hill" practice method is that EMPTY tires bounce bullets like crazy, so if you missed the target and hit the tire, you might have bullet holes in your important stuff! Now a bullet will penetrate a tire with air in it.
BTW...I find it funny as hell that a few months ago, everyone was on a "if it aint .30 cal it is to small for deer" kick, and sneered at my .270win...but now everyone is all on the varmint rifle for deer bandwagon. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
not me. i'll still be using my .30-06 with 165 gr soft points for deer sized game.
that way if i happen to miss by an inch or two i will still put down my animal.
but far be it from me to tell others what to hunt with. if you can do it with that small a caliber, more power to you, but i would suggest only experienced hunters try this because of the small margin of error that cartridge provides for large game.
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The only problem I have with the "target in a tire rolling down a hill" practice method is that EMPTY tires bounce bullets like crazy, so if you missed the target and hit the tire, you might have bullet holes in your important stuff! Now a bullet will penetrate a tire with air in it.
What? What is in your water 'billy?
I've yet to see a tire that a nail or knife won't go thru and you have tires that bullets bounce off?
Can you tell me where I can buy those bullet proof tires, they sure would come in handy around the farm when thorns try to flatten my tires.
I've yet to see a tire that a nail or knife won't go thru and you have tires that bullets bounce off?
Can you tell me where I can buy those bullet proof tires, they sure would come in handy around the farm when thorns try to flatten my tires.
Like I said in my OP....EMPTY tires will ricochet, FULL tires won't. I suggest you read slower, maybe sound out the words BEFORE you pull out the sarcasm font.
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I've yet to see a tire that a nail or knife won't go thru and you have tires that bullets bounce off?
Can you tell me where I can buy those bullet proof tires, they sure would come in handy around the farm when thorns try to flatten my tires.
Deflated tires will bounce bullets back very easily when using lower velocity firearms such as handguns and rimfires.When inflated,the pressure holds the tire out so the bullet penetrates,when not inflated the tire will push in absorbing all of the bullet energy and when it bounces back,throw the bullet back.However,this is unlikely with HV bullets as they penetrate before the tire can flex. ,,,sam.
is it ethical to take a shot at a moving tire with a .22 hornet.
someone made a comment that got me thinking..... i dont really have a problem with experianced hunters takeing shots at running game if they feel it is within there ability to do so. i have a problem with inexperianced marksmen blasting away at running game with wild abandon. to any of you who fall into that first catagory that i may have offended with my previous comments on this thread, you have my apolagies. SB
Going Bizarro World on you guys.
I only use my 243 for coyotes and other predators. Barnes really ticked me off when they quit making the 115 gr. Barnes Original. I never even got to try it!
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Like I said in my OP....EMPTY tires will ricochet, FULL tires won't. I suggest you read slower, maybe sound out the words BEFORE you pull out the sarcasm font.
I fyou hunt with a '06, shouldn't you practice with it too? You never said a rimfire or handgun, you said BULLETS.
Maybe you should think alittle more before you type.
I fyou hunt with a '06, shouldn't you practice with it too? You never said a rimfire or handgun, you said BULLETS.
Maybe you should think alittle more before you type.
First, I don't even like to touch a dirty.06 much less hunt with one, and second...pardon my rosy rebel ass if trying to point out a gun safety tip is a crime on a GUN & game webforum!
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First, I don't even like to touch a dirty.06 much less hunt with one, and second...pardon my rosy rebel ass if trying to point out a gun safety tip is a crime on a GUN & game webforum!
Temper temper 'billy. The point is, you never said anything about which type of firearm would bounce off a tire.
My point of the '06 comment was that you should practice with the gun you hunt with, and I hunt with an '06 and about 6 other calibers. I practice with them all, and have no doubt I can make the shot needed when the chips are down.
zxpilot, most of those animals killed look like they have been assassinated, shot in the eye or head. Something personal must have been going on, good shooting though. I'm just saying....
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