If you have read my posts before I am not big on Obama bashing and all of the wacky stuff that pops up on the internet about him not being an American citizen but after reading this article you certianly could claim it is about redesributing weath. From reading this article it appears like the weathly are targeted to foot a large part of the bill. Now I have never earned this kind of money myself and probally never will but if I did I do'nt think I would like someone reaching in my pocket to pay for heathcare either. What do you guys think? How-the-new-wealth-taxes-will-hit-you: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance
I wish I had the income that would make me really, really hate that tax. I also note that it kicks in at a level I would not call soaking the truly rich people out there, either. But bottom line I see it as a re-distribution of wealth and am dubious of it.
But you know, facts and figures are kind of dry and can interfere with an Obama bashing. Do we need to raise the hysteria level a notch?
Yeah I guess thats why you were the only one to respond to it. I know alot of people are screaming they do'nt want Obamacare but the truth is the average Joe will not be paying more but will actually pay less. The people that are getting nailed are the well off. Like I said although this will probally never include me or alot of us here I do'nt know if it is fair to target a specific group just because they make good salaries. To me it seems to fall under the redistibution of the weath conspiracy.
A US citizen making 45-50 grand per year is in the top 7% of the wealthiest people in the world. You don't think "redistributing the wealth" means just within our own country, do you? The US sends tons of money overseas under various guises and I have yet to hear a single world coming out of Washington about cutting foreign aid. We are the majority participate in the International Monetary Fund. (How many state budgets are $145 billion or less?...and we gave that to Greece.) We contribute more to the United Nations that several other countries combined. Our expenditure toward the relief of Haiti dwarfed any other nation.
The list goes on and on.
Just so you know, the $145 billion given to Greece would have wiped out the budget deficits of 46 states....or California.
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Yeah I guess thats why you were the only one to respond to it. I know alot of people are screaming they do'nt want Obamacare but the truth is the average Joe will not be paying more but will actually pay less. The people that are getting nailed are the well off. Like I said although this will probally never include me or alot of us here I do'nt know if it is fair to target a specific group just because they make good salaries. To me it seems to fall under the redistibution of the weath conspiracy.
Michael
You really don't understand the bottom-line complaint that so many people have about this, do you? People are angry because Obama's Marxist grab of the private sector is putting a strangle-hold on the US economy. He is driving us deeper and deeper into crippling debt that we'll be paying for generations to come. The health care takeover is just another power grab that the US can not afford. If you look at the actual costs of this atrocity, it is not only unsustainable, but almost designed to bankrupt the US.
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Hooray DWFan, finally someone besides me wants to see Foreign Aid cut. In my opinion, it should be abolished until our National Debt is paid off. It should be the first thing cut off.
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think about it - there are really not enough wealthy people and ultra high earners to pay for millions and millions of citizens and illegal aliens.
This is going to be paid for by continuing to tax Americans and systematically reducing what is available to older Americans. This is the real meaning of death deciders.
Do not trust the Obama administration as they have an interest in selling the deal and getting re-elected.
This topic is so personally upsetting I have to reserve commenting on my true feeling. I've typed 3 detailed responses and deleted them. Suffice it to say, Remember in November!
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Ok! Now we've got foreign aid, Marxism, the IMF, illegal aliens, death deciders and a possible deliberate bankrupting of the United States tossed in. That's more like it!
You really don't understand the bottom-line complaint that so many people have about this, do you? People are angry because Obama's Marxist grab of the private sector is putting a strangle-hold on the US economy. He is driving us deeper and deeper into crippling debt that we'll be paying for generations to come. The health care takeover is just another power grab that the US can not afford. If you look at the actual costs of this atrocity, it is not only unsustainable, but almost designed to bankrupt the US.
I was mainly trying to keep this discusion strickly on who will be footing the bill for the new heathcare cost. It seems to be one area were most people's beliefs about what it is going to cost and who is going to pay. I am not an Obama supporter but I do believe in being correctly informed. I am reading so much incorrect information about it when I saw this article I though some might like to read it and learn a bit more about the cold hard facts instead of some of the hysterical rants full of mis-information.
EVERYBODY, who has a job.
Is gonna pay, in one way or another!
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I lost my Dr. because this passed. He and all the partners in his office decided to take early retirement. They have seen what it is like to collect bills from the gov't. There are many Dr.s taking this same route. When the health care bill kicks in, my father will have to lay off 11 people in his office, including my sister. He can't afford to pay the HC ins. cost. So the HC bill will affect many on more than a monetary level. Let's see.....fewer Doctors and fewer wanting to even enter the field. Layoffs due to healthcare costs for employers. And higher taxes. WOW sounds like a plan. Lets see Obonehead pin this one on Bush.
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I lost my Dr. because this passed. He and all the partners in his office decided to take early retirement. They have seen what it is like to collect bills from the gov't. There are many Dr.s taking this same route. When the health care bill kicks in, my father will have to lay off 11 people in his office, including my sister. He can't afford to pay the HC ins. cost. So the HC bill will affect many on more than a monetary level. Let's see.....fewer Doctors and fewer wanting to even enter the field. Layoffs due to healthcare costs for employers. And higher taxes. WOW sounds like a plan. Lets see Obonehead pin this one on Bush.
Alan correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is the way this is suppose to work is the goverment itself is not going to be providing the heathcare. I thought the way it worked was they were making everyone purchase heath insurance from the heath insurance companies not the goverment. Agian I could be wrong but this is what information I have been able to take away from the little that I can find on the subject. If that is true than for the doctor nothing should change. They would stil have to file their claims with the same insurance companies and wait to get payed. If someone has information that says otherwise I would like to read up on it. If you have a link to a site with the facts please post it. I would really like to know the truth about it all.
I'll have too see if I can find it again in the HCB, (it changed so many times, I'll have to look at the one that actually passed). It stated that you could indeed keep your current HC program. Once this HCB goes fully into effect however, if you loose your job / insurance or decide to drop your current insurance, you MUST purchase the Gov't provided HC. I'll see what I can dig up.
Currently working 2 jobs....not alot of free time these days.
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I hear ya' Alan,a lot of folks are just trying to earn a few bucks and stay out of jail lately,probably gonna get worse when the Bush tax cuts are gone and the DNC rape begins.
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Thanks for the reply Alan. I will try and research that aspect of it. So then from what you are saying they would be creating another heathcare form similar to medicade and medicare. I have never used either so I do'nt know how hard it is for doctors to get rembersed from the goverment when a paitent uses these methods or if they are any worse than trying to get payed from a private insurance company. I am going to ask my doctor about it when I see him the beginning of next month. He is very forthcoming about answering questions like this with me.
Want a dose of Obama care, go visit a VA hospital. I'm in serious back pain and they put me on a waiting list to wait two months for some relief, called nerve block. I have major medical from P.D. I retired from. Got me scheduled for Monday.
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Thanks for the reply Alan. I will try and research that aspect of it. So then from what you are saying they would be creating another heathcare form similar to medicade and medicare. I have never used either so I do'nt know how hard it is for doctors to get rembersed from the goverment when a paitent uses these methods or if they are any worse than trying to get payed from a private insurance company. I am going to ask my doctor about it when I see him the beginning of next month. He is very forthcoming about answering questions like this with me.
Michael
No problem. And mdj696's reply is on the money as well. Imagine heath care being run by the DMV, The Post Office, Or any other gov't agency. It may work in other countries to an extent, but thier beliefs do not include the "entitlement" beliefs that too many here (who work for the gov't) have. The arrogance displayed at many gov't agencies at the public relations level and the "What are you going to do about it" attitudes are rampant. Ask yourself this though, if there were not a problem with Medicare/Medicade, why is it that there are so many Dr.'s/Dentist's who do not accept it?
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