Old 06-17-2010, 10:31 AM   #1
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Need help identifying antique gun

Hello all.
This was my Great-Grandfather's gun, possibly from Italy. It has an ornate letter H (with fleur-de-lys sprouting from the crossbar of the H) within a square and the sides of the square are slightly curved, which is located on the upper part of the handle. The handle closely resembles the Webley Mark IV .455 in design with the notable diamond shaped ornament surrounding a screw. The cylander is a bit different from the photos I've seen. There is a letter P on the gun just forward of the cylander. The barrel is octogonal. The cylander is marked with the number 89.

I don't know what else I can say. Any advice, help would be appreciated.

Note: to me the gun is quite small, particularly the handle which measures not more that 2 and one half inches. I thought it might be a "ladies" gun but it is quite heavy nonetheless.

Thank you.

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Old 06-17-2010, 11:10 AM   #2
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I see ur name is NYCguy so may I be so bold as to assume you live in new york? Take it to an antique dealer there.

Sounds cool tho. Good find whatever it is. Is it functional or all rusted up? Gun shop guys may know but I would ask one that sells older cowboy and decorative guns. Not to profile people too much but a young shop owner or clerk selling 2008-2010 sigsaurs and glocks mey not know, and initially I wouldn't take it with you. I would carry pics. On the off chance its real valuable. That's just me tho.

Maybe it'll be like those 2 guns in "Lock stock and two smoking barrels" if you haven't seen that its a guy ritchie movie that revolves around thes 2 pricelss rifles.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:33 AM   #3
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Could use some pics on this one to help us out.

But, I did find these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley_Revolver

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg91-e.htm

http://www.pitt.edu/~rice/webley.htm

http://members.fortunecity.com/milit/webley4.htm

http://www.buymilsurp.com/british-we...er-p-4930.html

It seems to have been a British Service Pistol in the late 1800's. Even with the small grip size, back then, the grips weren't very big. Because of the steel required, they tried to minimize the size of everything to keep the weight down, until later when they had alloys and such that could lighten the load. It was also used by 'undercover' guards on trains & such and easier to conceal.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:49 AM   #4
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Well there ya go NYC! Your in good hands on this site. Seems that everyone knows a little somethin about somethin here.

That gun reminds me of the old schofields. What was that Clint movie? Pale rider? Where he has the 2 schofields at the end. I always liked the way those loaded.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:55 AM   #5
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Well there ya go NYC! Your in good hands on this site. Seems that everyone knows a little somethin about somethin here.

That gun reminds me of the old schofields. What was that Clint movie? Pale rider? Where he has the 2 schofields at the end. I always liked the way those loaded.
Some pics would be great NYC. And actually John those were 1858 remingtons at the end of Pale Rider. He did have a scho at the end of Unforgiven.

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Old 06-17-2010, 12:10 PM   #6
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Some pics would be great NYC. And actually John those were 1858 remingtons at the end of Pale Rider. He did have a scho at the end of Unforgiven.
That's right! He got em from "THE SCHOFIELD KID" I remember now. Pale rider the had the interchanceable pre loaded cylinders he kept swappin out! I'm not too savvy with cowboy style guns.
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